'Muslims ... have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism' - Hillary Clinton

When did jesus promote violence?

 

Yes, but currently at this very moment in time, the religious radicals who are doing the most damage, taking the most lives are Muslim radicals. The Koran is only open to interpretation once education is factored in and there are hardly any great education systems in the Middle East anymore. People in those regions don't ponder or interpret the theology and ideology they follow, they just follow it by the letter--which is to say they're predictably violent in the way they practice their faith. Christianity is about the New Testament primarily, only with subtle references to the Old Testament, Judaism is basically the Old Testament, which like you said is pretty bad, but I haven't seen the rise of Jewish suicide terrorist attackers, probably because of the differences in education.

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When your argument has to refer to ancient history, or history that has not taken place within the last century, you need a new argument. And I think ISIS, aka The Islamic State, is in fact Islamic and was given to us by Islam--you know, because they're even called the Islamic State. Without the writings of Islam, ISIS would not exist.

 

Im from NY. We already lost over 3000 here to these nut jobs thank you very much. More died from Christians indeed.

 

Its estimated that 15 to 25 percent of Muslims are radicals. Thats millions and millions. The IRA was more of an Ireland vs England thing.

You may praise Mandella but we all do not.

 

What in the world are you talking about? Of course Islam has given us ISIS.

Islam gave us the Umayyad Caliphate, which began shortly after islam was created. For 21 years the Umayyad Caliphate killed thousands upon thousands of christians in the iberian penisula and took thousands upon thousands of christian slaves. They didn't stop until the franks kicked them out.

Fast forward to today and you have ISIS, the self proclaimed Caliphate of islam, which is trying to pick up where the Umayyad Caliphate left off.

 

Thats ancient history. It does not say to continue killing. It gives the reasons why it was done in the past. It doesnt take much to see the Koran wants war against any opposition

 

you take a group of disenchanted, angry and hopeless people, who have no viable stake in either the political, social or economic system, and then you provide some charismatic speakers who know how to exploit the rage , and then you get them to talk. They talk and they talk and, out of several hundred efforts, eventually they will find some weak links,who have lost a sense of belonging, and who are psychologically dysfunctional enough to be susceptible to what we might call 'brainwashing' techniques. In the states, we have historically called them 'cult' figures and they appear in all sorts of cultures. Think Jonestown. Think Aum Shinrikyo in Japan and Australia. Think Restoration of the 10 Commandments in Uganda. Think Ordre du Temple Solaire. Most cults are satisfied with control over wealth and relationships. Others demand an 'ultimate' sacrifice for final glory, but they all like to twist reality and often use religious teachings as a springboard for another agenda. Terrorist propagandists use the same methods but they turn outward rather than jut inward for targets. Gangs here in the states turn that feeling of alienation towards profitable crime.

When you see an increase frequency of cultish followings in Muslim societies, it does show weaknesses in those societies that these radicals exploit, but they may or may not be weaknesses in the Muslim faith. They could correlate to political, social or economic weaknesses as well.

 

No it does not. It told the ancient Jews to slay THEIR enemies. Jesus tells no one to kill.

 

Well his old man certainly did.

 

I what part of his post does he specifically mention Jesus?

 

You simply do not understand what a caliphate is. The best word in english is "empire".

As in, a multicultural kingdom ruled through force, IE terror.

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That's why it's "What would jesus do"

and not "what would god do"

 

The credulous might think that, but it was and is a sectarian battle.

 

ABC: Don’t forget our 2013 exposé on terrorists using refugee status to infiltrate the US

Barack Obama spent the last two days belittling concerns over the efficacy of screening in US refugee programs ignoring that his administration has dropped the ball on this issue before.

ABC News reminds viewers of their 2013 investigation that revealed that dozens of refugees admitted from Iraq and Afghanistan had suspected ties to terrorism. Two admitted in 2009 turned out to be al-Qaeda terrorists, who were only discovered after they tried to acquire heavy weapons while living in Kentucky:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/terrorists-refugee-program-settle-us/story?id=35252500

 

How do you know they're all angry and hopeless? Muslim males actually have it pretty damn good. Muslim women, not so much.

 

This is not about Muslim males. This is about a very select subset that is vulnerable to brainwashing techniques and psychologists will tell you it says as much about the personality dysfunction in the subject, as the circumstances that might make them angry or hopeless. you take twenty five people, (we'll make them Muslim males) and leave them impoverished, or socially disconnected from families or communities, and maybe one joins a cult. Others turn towards conventional crime, or isolation, or just get depressed and miserable. Some may turn towards activism, or escape into fantasy, or become drug users.

 

You're in denial and to be quite frank, I could care less!

 

She gives no cites nor any description for what she claims is such a large percent of Islam. Her whole attitude on that vid was pure hate. She totally ignored the question, consumed with hate as she was.

Sorry, I just can not give that kind of thing ANY credibility. What a totally disgusting display of willful ignorance and hate.


And, what I stated is still the case - ISIS is a minuscule fraction of Islam - FAR to small for anyone to suggest it is representative, and totally rejected by Islamic scholars and adherents around the world.

 

No. An empire does not imply terrorism.

AND, I know of nobody defending the objectives or means of ISIL. So, you really don't have to put a whole lot of effort into that. In fact, you can just go ahead and tell the truth!

On top of that, I'm pretty sure the US is not even slightly willing to do what Jesus would do. So, you can probably go ahead and drop that nonsense, too.

 

Once again, how do you know they're impoverished, or socially disconnected?

That's the big myth, and I don't understand why it continues. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were young guys who either had degrees or were in college, they had plenty to live for.

But their religion compels them....

 

Good - we nabbed some criminals in a sting operation.

Is that a justification for giving up our fundamental principles?

No f'ing way. This is America. I remain totally opposed to redefining who we are simply because we nabbed some criminals.

I'm proud my governor fully understands that.

 

Cite what the heck you are talking about.

And, I don't mean some hate filled screamer - I mean someone who can describe what they are talking about and has actual sources.


And, sorry, the IRA thing is perfectly applicable. Christian terrorists were killing Christians.

Yet YOU don't consider that to be justification for judging Christianity.

And, you're right. You just need to understand WHY you are right, so you can apply it to other cases of the same thing.

 

What exactly was hateful about what she said? Did the peaceful majorities matter in the situations that she described?? Nope, sure didn't. That was simply truth.

 

Yes, an empire implies terrorism, always has, always will. Look at all the atrocities committed by the british empire.

You might be confused and think that terrorism cannot be committed by governments, but it can.

 

Hillary does not involve herself with generalizations.

 

And Bill with other women.