BBC: Turkey 'shoots down Russian warplane on Syria border'

Quantum mechanical description 1: In the quantum mechanical description of the same electromagnetic wave, real photons are traveling with momentum hνc (in the direction of motion of the above electromagnetic wave), and are absorbed by the charge at x, causing it to recoil in the above electromagnetic wave's direction of motion (due to conservation of momentum).

Quantum mechanical description 2: (I will be assuming that in the quantum mechanical description of the electromagnetic field, the force due to the electric/magnetic fields between two moving charges is due to the exchange of virtual photons). At point x the electromagnetic wave contributes a slowly varying electric field, and a slowly varying magnetic field. The charge at x experiences a force due to the electric field, due to the exchange of virtual photons with the charge that produced the electric field. Similarly for the magnetic field. In other words, there are no real photons -- just the virtual photons mediating between the charge at x and the charge whose movement created the electromagnetic wave in the first place. That was one of the first links to pop up on a Google search

http://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...photon-electric-and-magnetic-field-components


Here's some more

Grahame- You’re right that electromagnetic waves, whether viewed classically or in terms of quantized photons, are not affected by static electrical or magnetic fields. They have no charge. Nevertheless, they do exert electrical and magnetic forces on charged particles and magnetic particles. Viewed classically, they consist of nothing but electrical and magnetic fields propagating through space, so it’s entirely appropriate to call them electromagnetic waves.


You are the real clueless one here. At least I provide sourses that back up what I say. YOU PROVIDE NOTING ABOUT YOU FANTASY TALK.


Oh before you start posting your information about FEL VAPORIZING1000ft of steel or American AI being CENTURIES ahead, or any of your other dreams stop now because we've been here before.You talk the real nonsense. Not 1 source still to back up your claim....

 

You need to learn your QCD and QED differences.

Photons as massless but they have spin angular momentum but do not have the ability to transfer kinetic energy.

They cannot be effected by magnetic fields only Space-Time warpeture or Gravitic effect.

What you discuss is nonsense.

AboveAlpha

 

What does NORAD and/or DISA say? For a variety of politically-related reasons, we can't just blithely accept what the Turks say, what the Obama admn. says, or what the Russians say. The Russian evidence for the flight plan of the plane is compelling and here's a link to it: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151124/1030695406/mod-su-24-flight-path.html . But NORAD can track the infrared signature of a mouse fart from near-earth orbit. What do they say?

IF, and I do mean IF the Turks destroyed the Russian plane without just cause the Russian people are going to be screaming for the blood of the murderers, and plenty of it. They are already mad as hell because of the downing of a Russian airliner over Egypt. This latest outrage will be like gasoline on a grass fire.

 

The NSA has the intercepts of the Turkish F-16 pilots demands that the Su-24 identify itself and change it's heading.

It did neither.

If a warplane flew over U.S. or Russian airspace and refused to identify itself or change course it would be shot down.

Without question.

AboveAlpha

 

What is Russia doing attacking ground units so damn close to Turkey anyway, the Turk's likely have ground units operating in that area as they've long struggled with the Kurds and also Sunni islamists now.

If the Kremlin decided to ignore their requests to avoid the area its no wonder they got attacked - the SU24's were probably in fact attacking Turkish units at the bequest of Assad to sure up the border, they were told to stop of be fired upon, and as soon as they crossed into Turkish airspace the Turk's fired.

Lesson; don't attack Turkish ground units operating in the border region of Syria and then fly across Turkish airspace as well. You can't treat the world like you treat your Russian homosexuals Putin without consequances. Evolved adults realize the game of consequances is not worth playing, but of course being ex KGB its all Putin has ever known.... he is too dangerous and foolish to lead Russia, Russians need to step up and find a new leader for their country ASAP!!

 

Have you not seen the specs? T50 out classes f22 in virtually every aspect and it's few times more cheaper to built.

 

After the debacle of Able Archer 83....run a search.....I was sent to Moscow and Leningrad to develop a back channel system of communications to prevent the possibility of any sick, dying and delusional leader from ever again try to launch nukes.

I worked with the GRU.

This flight has GRU written all over it.

It's a test.

AboveAlpha

 

The T-50 is not ready for deployment.

It has to be completely redesigned.

Go to the Russian Defense Ministry site....it will detail this out.

Besides the USAF F-22 was flying almost 20 years ago.

We are replacing it with the Gen 7's.

AboveAlpha

 

by ROBERT BECKHUSEN
Just a short time ago, Russia planned to have 52 advanced T-50 stealth fighters by the end of the decade. At least, that was the plan.
Now the T-50 program appears to be in serious trouble, and Russia may cut back the fighters to a fraction of the planned strength.
The first sign something was very wrong appeared last month. On March 24. Yuri Borisov, Russia’s deputy defense minister for armaments, told the Kommersant newspaper that the military is drastically cutting its number of T-50s. Instead of 52 stealth fighters, Russia will build merely 12 of them.

LINK...https://medium.com/war-is-boring/ru...is-in-serious-trouble-24ac3ef85227#.vsluji9ud

AboveAlpha

 

Yet you still provide NO EVIDENCE. And my talk is nonsense? Riiight. Regardless of the naming sense, neither me or you are an expert in quantum theoretical physicist. The people who developed this are. You don't know how it fully works and that is a fact

You are not an expert in this field to make such statements regarding the name. The people who created in the other hand are experts with phds. They work on forefront of Russian technology.

Which forefront do you work at to claim that you know more than them? That is the real nonsense. You googled something and think that you are an expert?


That's the same falacy that caused your delusional statements of lasers burning through 1000ft of steel and AI being CENTURIES ahead. Which you still provide no evidence for. I should know. I tried to look for evidence myself. After all I keep an open mind. I found NOTHING


YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY.

So not only do you talk nonsense you are being a hypocrite about it. Hypocritical Nonse? That seems a viable discription.

 

Let me ask you this?

Where did you get this information?

What was the linked source?

AboveAlpha

 

I will tell you.

The link you supply is to a discussion site about theoretical aspects yet unproven.

AboveAlpha

 

Ok. Thanks for that. Explains why they are beefing up their anti air. Thought the missile was designed for t50, I still think it can be easily modified to be used by their other aircraft.

 

http://www.businessnewsworld.com/ne...kthrough-photonic-radar-by-2018-producer.html


https://www.rt.com/news/321712-radio-photonic-radar-russia/

http://kret.com/en/news/3768/

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2014/11/19/2742/


It's amazing what a simple Google search can do

 

Russia made a huge design flaw in the T-50.

There were to be 12 built for testing in 2015 but they were deemed to be easily detectable by both radar and IR-Light detection.

The costs to redesign them is exorbitant and they cannot afford to do it.

AboveAlpha

 

Those of us who were very Cold Warriors both Soviets and Americans are sick to our stomachs as far as what is going on right now.

There is no reason for it.

AboveAlpha

 

WWIII Is what is next. Syria has too many countries involved in their civil war. Russia has had two planes downed in the last month. That will only happen so many times before the hits the fan. The attacks in Paris are just a prelude, for what I believe is coming. A stepping stone so to speak. I hope I am wrong though. Nothing good has come out of war for the Average Joe. A.J. pays the price!

 

Brilliant post. U read it through the lines. All the mess in Syria is abt the pipeline, Saudis deathly need it, and Russia doesn't.
RIP for our aircrew member. Erdogan is an idiot, and f**ing stooge.

 

Putin will play this very smart. Supply Kurds with weapons, maybe also supply the Syrian regime with AA missiles, I'm hoping S300's or something like that

Which means he doesn't have to retaliate anyone

Turks are becoming really stupid. Ottoman empire is long gone, there is only some Cold Turkey left.

 

Of course they know, at least from the British base in Cyprus which covers the whole area, but the proof is never forth coming. I guess they want us to trust them. .. just like the hundred and one Russian invasions in Ukraine.

 

Ahhh, the hypocrisy of Turkey:

Less than two weeks ago, Greek defense officials reported eight Turkish fighter jets entering Greek airspace, conducting a total of 19 transgressions.

These incidents have increased dramatically since 2013, and in 2014, alone, Turkey entered Greek airspace a total of 1,017 times.​

The following comments were made by Erdogan when two pilots were shot down in Syria. More than likely, it was a false flag attempt to get Nato to declare a no fly zone in Syria. The families of the 'Kurd' pilots sued the government because they were sent up in planes with navigational defects.

In 2012, Ankara accused Syria of shooting down a Turkish F-4 Phantom. That plane crash-landed in the Mediterranean after veering into Syrian airspace. In response, an outraged Erdogan lambasted the Syrian military for acting in haste.

"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he told Parliament at the time.
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Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/201...ce-violation-contradiction.html#ixzz3sU4Mbxtd

 

Maybe. Maybe not, the Kurds might as well use it against Assad or even teh Russians, no way of knowing, giving to Assad will add Israel as a "concerned" side and even Russia with its size - IMO - will not want to add another "concerned" country against them at this time.

 

Not really, the Turks aren't bombing ethnic Greeks, you know like why Russia is in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine... while the Russians are attacking ethnic Turks in Northern Syria. So you see the hypocrisy lies with Putin.

 

the Muscovite plane bombed Syrian Turkmen (who are not IS ) they called Turkish Army for help ...Turkey asked Muscovy 1000 times are not attacking Turkmen

 

in that case we all deserve to die...with all respect who wants to die for Syria ? except Alawites , Kurds and some sunnis ?