Internment Camps for Radical Muslims?

ISIS and AQ have declared war on us. But we are treating them as common criminals. As for feeling under constant threat, no I do not. We have the means to eliminate ISIS in Iraq and Syria and could do so within a month. But not doing so is a political decision by the current president which is also CINC.

Yes, terrorism is a tactic of war. We drop bombs, terrorist plant IED and blow themselves up. But as to the threat of terrorism, we can reduce it, but we can never eliminate it.

 

War is hell. Ugliness is everywhere in war. It was necessary at the time, it worked, and there were apologies afterwards. Apologies do not negate the necessity of the taken action.

 

We can eliminate the groups that pose the greatest threat to us.....by focusing on quote 'terrorism' we are not identifying who our enemy actually is....we need to quit using the term entirely and talk about islamic jihadists....that is who has the capability to inflict a fatal blow on us....as in they are constantlly trying to acquire chemical and nuclear weaponry and they are the ones who have the financial means and support to acquire such weapons...time is on their side...we continue to wring our wrists as every new attack occurs, remain coinfused and have a population of which has been misled and confused...even if our leaders do understand the real nature of this struggle which i doubt.

 

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So who is our enemy? During the cold war that was easy. During that time it was nation/states we were either allied with or viewed as the enemy. Not so easy now. We can defeat ISIS the organization militarily. But the idea of a strict Islamic Caliphate will continue to exist. We did a good job with putting AQ on its heels, again militarily, but as you stated their idea of an Islamic Jihadist continues. Strongmen in the middle east pretty much kept a lid on these Islamic Jihadist, perhaps that is what is needed.

 

I disagree....much cheaper to deport them to Syria.

IF...they are proven extremists.

 

What is amazing is that despite the Quran's call to wage Jihad, Muslims didn't resort to terrorist attacks until after the formation of Israel and even then they tended to attack Israel or supporters of Israel at least until Operation Desert Storm. What is even more amazing, is that in America, Muslims are somehow able to follow their religion, but not kill gays, apostates, adulterers or those who insult Mohammad/Islam. In fact, when Disney came out with Aladdin in 1992, American Muslims were upset with the line "where they cut off your ear/ If they don’t like your face" but instead of threatening to kill the filmmakers or blowing up Disneyland, they simply wrote letters to Disney until Disney agreed to change the line. Hmm... but I guess that doesn't fit into your narrative of a violent religion that needs to be discredited.

At one time or another Christianity did pretty much everything the fanatics of Islam are doing now. They tortured and killed gays adulterers, apostates, and those who didn't convert or insulted the Church, but somewhere along the way, they figured out how to ignore the bad parts of their holy book but still were able to worship their God. Yes, there are still idiots that proclaim things like God hates (*)(*)(*)(*) or talk about making the US a theocracy or killing homosexuals, but they are quickly denounced by the majority of other Christians.

The same thing will eventually happen to Muslims. The people will start to turn their backs on the violence and fanaticism and will create a more secular society, however, if we continue to treat them as if they are fanatics and enemies... well, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Religion (or our lack of it) is more than a belief, it is part of our human culture and part of our identity. In doubt? Look at your signature. So when you attack someone's beliefs you are attacking them and all that does is put them on the defensive and they will never hear what you have to say. Much better to befriend them, and show them a better way by example.

 

Please read about the tens of millions of people (India is a good example) who died in vicious Muslim carnage over the centuries, Jihad didn't start with Israel (as bad as the Jewish State is, admittedly), Jihad started with Mohammad. Read about the many Sikh gurus who were tortured to death by Muslims waging Jihad, for example.

 

Nonsense...you need to read some history on Islam....much of it has been posted on this board...therefore you have no excuse for not knowing it ...........aka muslims were conducting Jihad hundreds of years before the modern state of Israel was born. Most likely you are just another Jew Hater...very likely a muslim or at least a sympathizer...but definitely someone who wants to scapegoat the Jews which has gone on for hundreds of years....well you could be a Presbyterian...another group opposed to Israel.

There are secular muslims and there are so called moderate muslims but the truth of the matter is...the more devout a muslim happens to be the more likely he is to support the Jihadists or be one himself. Muslims who live here for the most part obey our laws....but there have been many exceptions.....honor killings etc. Mainly they are just biding their time until they get more of their own over here...they know they are too much of a minority at the moment to exert much influence on our society....other then a few who have engaged in Jihad against us.....actually America's Black Muslims have done more killings than the imported muslims.

Catholics in the early days strayed from the teachings of the Bible aka the inquisition but other than that what you claim about Christianity is bogus...even the inquisition was not near as bad as what muslims did hundreds of years ago and continue to do today. So to say that muslims will become like Christians has no basis...their basic theology has never changed and will never change. unless they do away with the Qu'ram...you think that will ever happen? Not likely. It is a very successful religion as it is....why do you think ISIS can recruit fighters so easily? The real appeal of Islam is anti-modernism...a return to a simpler but very harsh society.

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You're not that far off, actually.

Incredible - because of Mohammad's command to wage Jihad until "all worship is for Allah" the world is faced with the BEST option being the return of people along the lines of SADDAM AND GADDAFI! Unreal. Islam has failed the world (in creating civilized societies.)

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Faith is the enemy.

 

Well...that would be the ultimate solution....either to Syria or some other Arab country...but due to the political situation here we will have to go slowly...one step at a time. Another thing we could do would be to recruit them to fight ISIS....form a brigade composed of Syrian Refugees...if they have suffered as much as they proclaim....they should be willing to fight ISIS if properly equipped and trained.

 

Once we knock out all the known groups of Jihadists then we should focus on the radical mullahs and schools that indoctrinate the muslim youth into fanaticism. But for the foreseeable future the world will have to be alert and on the lookout for these groups before they grow to where they are dangerous...nip them in the bud so to speak.

 

I would argue that we do it in the reverse, shut down the schools and mullahs first, then focus on the groups; you don't try and fix a leaky faucet before you turn off the water supply.

To the OP: tactically speaking, internment camps for radical Muslims would be disastrous. First it would concentrate our enemies together. Second anyone on the fence who ended up there would quickly become radicalized. Third it would create dissent amongst American Muslims and create further radicalization amongst the population.

 

And to think you call yourself an American..... You ought to be ashamed.

 

Faith? Most of the time it is power hungry men who desires land, riches, control, who utilize faith or religion to enhance and gain power over others. Most of the religious just want to be left alone to worship as they will. They do not charge out with a gun or a beheading to convert shall I say the unholy masses. It is the ones usually at the head, the one in power, the shaman, the priest, the holy man who gets into his head to convert the world.

Most people are followers, most people love winners, most people will jump on what looks like a winning band wagon.

 

Pretty much the way I see it too. It is a sad commentary when the world of the past with the cold war and mutual assured destruction actually looks sane and rational to today's world.

 

Why dont they just stick them in a cave somewhere and let them throw rocks at each other....
It'd be just like home.....

 

You're still not answering the question. Until which point will you hold them?

Will you hold them until they stop being radical muslims? You know that's not going to happen.

You don't actually have a plan, you have no idea how to carry this out, and not a clue what the end goal is.

 

Not that complicated pal.....first you set up the camps....most likely they already exist in some form as it has been reported FEMA has constructed facilities to detain a lot of people....when they constructed them they probably did not have muslims in mind but irregardless either the facilities already exist or they could be built very quickly....so then a task force is put together to round up the muslims the FBI is currently monitoring...since their location and habits are known it would not be difficult to round them up...it should be done as quickly as possible and they all should be under close observation because as the word gets out on what is happening many will no doubt choose to run...this cannot be allowed.

Once they are secured then we can begin a very harsh interrogation program....also we can recruit the more co-operative to work for us against radical elements in USA. Also as needed overseas....we could bring much pressure to bear on them.....using their fear of being deported, the well being of their familes etc. In a nutshell once we have them incarcerated much force can be brought to bear on them to join the fight against jihad.

The truly incorrigible or hard core fanatics should be deported ...to a friendly arab nation that knows what do do with such animals.

The end goal is quite simple ....to bring pressure to bear on the muslim community to cease supporting terrorism and equally as important to take a more active role in denouncing jihad and helping to prevent it by being more co-operative with us. Once they realize they can be deported or incarcerated for being seditious you will see an amazing transformation in the muslim community...talk about model citizens....you can be sure of that. Fear is a very powerful motivator. We need to do it...and very quickly.

 

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