Peace on Earth? Not until the U.S. stops selling arms and making war

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    America wpuld cease to exist without negative interferance in global affairs. Capitalism (america) has to export it poverty to survive. You see, this parasite exists only due to poverty, that's is its purity.
     
  2. Ronstar

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    Man by his nature is not all that peaceful. It takes a huge police force just to keep those who are fairly honest, honest. Still in-spite of that a good many continue to commit violence and crime. today it is guns and bombs, yesterday it was swords, spears, catapults, bows and arrows. Before that it was clubs, sticks and rocks.

    Man has been violent since he first stood up on two legs be it Cain slaying Abel or the caveman attacking other cavemen. I really do not believe in the peaceful nature of man.
     
  4. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    You've certainly got the simplified, US government propaganda version of history down very well. I'll give you that.
     
  5. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    You didn't answer the question. No surprise there. Instead, you went off on some irrelevant rant about leftists.
     
  6. Ronstar

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    I find this interesting, although I do not know if it holds for all of Ukraine. I think the people in the Western part and especially Galatia might be on drugs. I did read that one of the criminal oligarchs makes a fortune pushing it on them. They could also be in the occult, otherwise how can they commit the horrendous crimes they committed...especially on the Poles in WWII. I read one account by a Catholic priest, and the crimes they committed was even worse than what the Turks and Japanese did in their wars... and yet these Byzantine Catholics profess to be Christian.

    I have also seen Byzantine Catholic priests saying they want to take up arms and kill the Russians, why? You can even see them marching in the parades lauding the Nazi leader Bandera. Has the oligarch owned media turned them so much against Russia to preserve their own fortunes, that the Ukrainian people can't see past it, and want to blame the hand that fed them for not continuing to feed them?.

    The American people are also brainwashed, yet they are not screaming they want to kill people...except for the sociopaths in Washington. Maybe you are right about an iodine deficiency. Anyway their heads should be examined...for their own sake.


    Actually the name Ukraini is derived from Greek. It means the people living on the edge/outskirts. The name probably goes back to the Byzantine Empire, and since Kiev was once part of the Russian Empire, wouldn't it be referring to Russia rather than the Austrian Empire? Just curious!
     
  8. MaxxMurxx

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    Unfortunately there were periods on this earth in which the USA even didn't exist and those times were not peaceful at all. People obvioulsy can have disagreements even without the Americans.
     
  9. Ethereal

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  10. Ronstar

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    I see Russia taking over more land. That's all I need to see.
     
  11. Ethereal

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    You only see what you want to see. You ignore the illegal putsch in Kiev that precipitated the conflict in Ukraine, you ignore the neo-Nazis operating within Euromaiden, you ignore the fact that Russia already had a military presence in Crimea per a treaty that was ratified in the 1990's, and you ignore the fact that the majority of people living in Crimea declared their independence from the illegal regime in Kiev. You just possess an irrational hatred of Russia and will always view any dispute involving them in a manner favorable to their adversaries, even if their adversaries are vicious neo-Nazi criminals.
     
  12. Ronstar

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    you ignore the fact that the Russian military VIOLATED the navy base lease treaty by engaging in military activities inside Crimea without the consent and cooperation of the Ukrainian military.

    you ignore the fact that Russia has sent thousands of soldiers into Ukraine, plus lots of weapons.

    you ignore the fact that Russians now refuse to acknowledge that Ukraine is even a real country.

    you ignore the fact that Russia has now blaimed Poland for the Soviet invasion in 1939 and has justified the illegal invasion and annexation of the Baltic States.
     
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    Europe had its chance to be the leader in the world and they blew it. If not the us then who? There has always been at the very least regional "super powers" going all the way back. Who would you rather have as a super power? Russia? China? Each of those nations have killed far more people than the us and uk combined.
     
  14. Ethereal

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    Again, there was an illegal putsch in Kiev. Once the governing structure of a country is illegally overthrown by neo-Nazi insurrectionists, the Ukrainian military's consent and cooperation are no longer required, as the legal authority upon which they were operating was completely voided by virtue of the illegal coup. The fact that you keep talking abuot legality when the entire conflict itself was precipitated by an illegal removal of the sovereign President is baffling. If you were actually concerned with the legal integrity of Ukrainian laws, then you would start with the grossly illegal act that poisoned the well.

    Novorussiya is not Ukraine anymore. The people living there declared their independence, which is their right under both international and natural laws.

    Why should they acknowledge such?

    Has nothing to do with anything.
     
  15. Ronstar

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    according to which international law or treaty?

    who gets to decide when an election or impeachment was illegal?

    surely not another state, which has very clear bias and agenda and extreme interest in the outcome.

    Russia had no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing right to put one single soldier inside Crimea, let alone Donbas.
     
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    The first video is a torchlight parade in Nazi Germany. The other two videos are torchlight parades honoring Bandera a Nazi collaborator in Kiev and Odessa. There were also parades in Lviv, and other cities of the Ukraine.

    These parades and honors towards Bandera is freaking out the Poles. When they complained about the Ukrainians honoring someone whose followers literally massacred their people, rather than apologizing, they were offended that the Poles would dare insult their great hero. You figure!

    This Spring a movie is coming out in Poland about the genocide in Western Ukraine. As it is they are demanding reparations from the Ukrainians for the lands they stole. Seems some interesting times lie ahead.



    [video=youtube;3tPANQ7xrOE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tPANQ7xrOE[/video]

    [video=youtube;fD9av3iOwTQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD9av3iOwTQ[/video]

    [video=youtube;jj0IH4njZB4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj0IH4njZB4[/video]
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh, so you agree that Ukraine isn't even a real country???

    LOL....your agenda and bias against Ukraine has been exposed.
     
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    The Russians collaborated with the Nazis from 1939 to 1941
     
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    Arms exports per $1,000 GDP

    1. Russia 4.4
    15. United States 0.464

    Source
     
  20. Ethereal

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    According to the laws of Ukraine itself. Yanukovych was the democratically elected President of Ukraine when he was ousted in an illegal putsch by a violent minority of fascist insurrectionists.

    Legality is determined by the legal codes of the country. Yanukovych was democratically elected in 2010 by the Ukrainian people in an election that international agencies deemed legitimate.

    Then why is the US State Department meddling in Ukrainian affairs? Why are they spending US taxpayer money on promoting "democracy" in Ukraine? Of course, any educated person realizes that "democracy promotion" is just a euphemism for CIA-orchestrated insurrection and "regime change".

    They do if the people living in those areas declared their independence and invited Russia into their territory.
     
  21. Ethereal

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    The Ukraine as we know it no longer exists. That is a fact. The people living in eastern Ukraine, whose rights you are so disdainful of, declared their independence and created a new country, Novorussiya, which is their right under both international and natural laws.

    But it's painfully obvious that you don't care AT ALL about their rights. You don't care about their right to be represented in the Ukrainian central government and you don't care about their right to political independence from the same. They might as well be nonexistent in your worldview. So why should they acknowledge the fiction of "Ukraine" when its sole purpose is to enslave them and deprive them of their rights?
     
  22. Ronstar

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    so if the people of NYC have a referendum and vote to leave the USA, they can then vote to invite Russian troops and Russia can then put 10,000 soldiers into NYC?

    that's how it works??

    LOL!!!!

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    LOL...sounds like the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement all over again.

    is Latvia next? Lithuania?

    eastern Poland?

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    Poroshenko is now the President of Ukraine. Even Putin recognizes this.
     
  23. Ethereal

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    Why is that funny? Either you believe that people have the right to political independence or you do not. I believe they do, and so did the founding fathers.

    Again, what is so funny about the right of eastern Ukrainians to declare their political independence? I guess you think they should just be slaves to the fascist junta in Kiev? Why?
     
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    Now you are contradicting yourself.

    First you claim that Russia does not recognize Ukraine as a country, and then you claim that Putin recognizes Poroshenko as the President of Ukraine.

    But how can Putin recognize Poroshenko as the President of Ukraine when he doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Ukraine as a country?

    More importantly, Putin is just attempting to be diplomatic and to resolve the conflict peacefully. Whatever western propaganda may say, it is not in Putin's interest to have a destabilized Ukraine. His proposal has been federalization of Ukraine, but the people in Donbass are past that point because so many of their friends and family have been murdered by the gangsters in Kiev. The only just outcome is for complete independence of Novorussiya.
     
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    I agree with you! Why should we send weapons to those who would throw off their chains of oppression? After all, aren't we the only ones who really count?

    FIRMLY REMOVING TONGUE FROM THE CHEEKS. What a first class isolationist you are. Who cares if 3rd world poor starve? Continue to be oppressed? Why should we care? BECAUSE HUMANISM IS MORE IMPORTANT AND MORE JUSTIFIED, than isolation and stay home and watch them die.
     

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