IRAN WARNS US OF WAR – Missiles Are Locked on US Aircraft Carrier USS Truman

No one was going to start nuclear-like tensions over an aircrew hostage. Iran doesn't have the support from Russia or China that we originally suspected/feared. It's a loosely affiliated state that Russia/China will cut off at the minute of first expense. You can play hardball with the Iranians. For Iran, this is the perfect victory. They get to posture about capturing "them Americans" and how they got Americans to concede again.

Again, if this is your mindset than the US is no longer the world supreme power and should act as such.

 

Why would we play hardball when we were in the wrong? We were the aggressors invading the territory of another sovereign nation.

 

Except we weren't. Our boat was very loosely in "Iranian Waters"(If you subscribe to the theory that waters are owned by Nations). If you subscribe to this, then we can't argue against China's expanding "South Chinese sea". It would have been easy enough for the Iranians to tell our crew that they were too far into Iranian territory and to turn back, but somehow I doubt that happened. And I doubt a standoff happened as well.

No, the Iranians saw an opportunity and ambushed our American sailors and captured them, hoping precisely for this kind of response. Which is why Kerry said "It'd look good for the both of us". They thought they could spin this into some sign of "warmer relations"(HAH) While the Iranians get the photo-op of a weaker US.

Which we are. The mindset of America is weak. When you also consider their aggression against us in Yemen(when the deal wasn't even complete), the picture is quite clear(except to you). America's weak, she's not strong. We're willing to be bullied by anyone.

 

From a russian whose army has illegally invaded Crimea, Ukraine, Georgia and Syria, this is quite hilarious.

 

You don't believe in national waters? So a boat full of Mexicans approaches Texas and under your interpretation, we can't do anything about it until it makes landfall because we don't own the waters, yes?

 

Good point.

 

No need for hair-on-fire diplomacy over an incident so easily rectified.

All this teeth gnashing and tearing of one's clothes by the right over this incident is pathetic. The internet does not hand out
Oscars for Best Drama Queen posting - sorry.

 

I volunteer to fight them now, and to execute every IRGC, basiji, hezbollah and all of their supporters and apologists. Unfortunately, I'll have to wait until there is an adult in the White House again before someone can take proper action against the fascist, despicable, terrorist, murderous, cancerous regime of thugs that is governing iran.

 

The way iran was in attacking the Saudi embassy? The way iran sent its troops into syria, iraq, lebanon, gaza, yemen, sudan and elsewhere?

Do I need to remind people how iran has now attacked two foreign embassies, and murdered thousands of US troops in iraq and lebanon?

 

We don't own the waters, we do own our borders. So if someone tries a sea invasion then we're like "Halt, and if you don't we'll kick your asses." Like every other country on earth. The idea that we own waters, or that there's some invisible equator line was just that: An idea. I'm sorry to psych you out, but it's a hobby of mine: Adding logic where logic previously didn't exist.

 

And we've armed Kurdish and Pashtun terrorists in Iran. We armed ISIS, a group Iran is at war with.

We aren't guiltless.

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So long as they stop a foot from shore, they are free and we can't do anything about them?

So Iran can put a nuke on a cargo ship, sail it into NYC harbor and so long as they don't try to make landfall, we just get to sit and watch until they decide to detonate?

 

Let me make it even clearer to you: Any ship with obviously any malicious intent would be a threat to the US Continent and we'd reserve the right to warn them not to enter US Space, or to get themselves obliterated. The US does not own the Pacific because California's on the strip. Nor do we own the Atlantic because of our North border States.

You're protecting a Nation, not a body of water. It's a 'forest for the trees' concept. You're looking at the trees, I'm looking at the whole forest. I'm not saying the National Guard doesn't have a purpose. I'm saying the idea of "ocean territory" is a fiction borne on nothing but governmental assumption.

Which of course, government does. But don't let logic be persuaded by political conveniences of the time.

 

Sorry I wasn't clear, once WWIII starts in the middle east OR they send us a nuke on a container ship and blast one of our port cities. Stock up on sun screen.

 

I guess using the "we may never know" assertion gives you license to make up your own reality!

 

Obama will never have his chief of staff, Valerie Jerat, executed.

 

The "we may never know" speculates there may be more to the incident than we were led to believe. Wouldn't be the first time. The rest of his post is an analysis of the region. An analysis backed by very recent action(Iran-Saudi Arabian spat). As well as Saudi Arabia openly telling us that if Iran were free to pursue nukes, they would as well.

The Obama Administration grossly miscalculated what effects of the deal would have.

No one trusts the Iranians, especially in any such "deal" where they didn't have to give up their terrorism capabilities. To which Obama meekly said(in effect) "Well, we're working on it." While taking the big carrot(sanctions) away lol.

Even YOU should know there's not going to be a reduction of Iranian terror, they have no reason to.

So let's recap: We have a very vague program where we assume we're going to be able(and not even we, but more like Iran's allies) to monitor their program. All the meanwhile, we have no way of verifying what they did in the meantime. We also have a deal in which they essentially gave nothing, while getting millions of their own assets back.

If I were a leader of a middle eastern country, I would also have great concern. The last couple of years, have been very good for the Iranian Regime in which they effectively managed politics and put a "moderate middle man" while pursuing extremism. And this Administration and Leftist thought fell for it.

I too, held hope but that hope faded within moments of conflicting reports and I knew the Iranian end game. Apparently, this administration does not. Look for continuing escalating events, with Iran testing "American resolve" and being more daring. Until, god forbid they actually do have the bomb.

And then we can remember President Clown for the epic failure he is.

 

What is this "US space" of which you speak? And how do you tell a cargo ship with a nuke in the hold from one with a hold full of bananas?

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I'd rather stock up on bullets and stand my ground against any of your state-worshipping friends who try to come and enslave me or mine.

 

I believe it's the Government that rounds up draft evaders.

 

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Yes, the state-worshippers. Your friends who you think should enslave people and force them to kill at gunpoint when wars are too unpopular to get enough volunteers.

 

Pot this kettle^^^

 

now now big ears claims they are peace loving people

 

I believe it's the Government that rounds up draft evaders.

 

Rational, educated Americans who have America's best interests at heart are not "offended" because the Iranians briefly detained US Military personnel who knowingly & intentionally trespassed in Iranian waters[1]. The fact that the the Iranians wanted the matter to be resolved so peacefully is more comforting than alarming.[*]

However, Israel's fervent Zionist Hasbara network operating on American soil & related, deceptive Zionist lobbies, PR specialists etc who succeeded in driving America into fighting a recent War for them [2] are very busy trying to make the most of this non-incident before the Nuclear Deal takes effect next month.

It is no secret that Israel's extremists have tried to incite anti Iranian, pro War fever among Americans & hate [3] the Nuclear Deal because it is an indication of warming relations between Iran & the US among other things.

Given the fact that CIA overthrew a democratically elected Iranian government, Mossad & CIA "Hit Squads" have recently been clandestinely operating in Iran for years & AIPAC's U.S. Mid East policy makers have been the driving force behind America's anti Iranian sanctions etc., the Iranians have good reason to be cautious as long as foreign Zionist lobbies maintain control over so many of America's spineless politicians & Policy makers.


It's no coincidence that the "Selectively Outraged" individuals who are now frantically showcasing this quickly & cleanly resolved, brief, non-event in which no heavily armed American was hurt tend to be the most fervent defenders of IDF's executing 10 unarmed civilians including 1 American aboard the Mavi Marmara.

Which country's Military force would you say was the most brutal & ruthless?

I'd rather be shot by an Iranian camera than executed by U.S. supplied IDF rifles & pistols any day.......how about you?



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[*] “Iran Announces Release of Captive American Sailors”
http://jpupdates.com/2016/01/13/iran-announces-release-of-captive-american-sailors/

EXCERPT “Happy to see dialog and respect, not threats and impetuousness, swiftly resolved the #sailors episode,” Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif tweeted. “Let’s learn from this latest example."CONTINUED



[1] “Iran’s Swift Release of U.S. Sailors Hailed as a Sign of Warmer Relations”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/world/middleeast/iran-navy-crew-release.html?_r=0



[2] “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03



[3] “Why They Hate the Deal With Iran”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/15/why-they-hate-the-deal-with-iran/

 

^^^^ That is obviously someone who also believes 9-11 was an inside job, no doubt.

Steve