How do I keep my home and family safe?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by OldGuy?wise, Jan 17, 2016.

  1. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    One can always make up an anecdotal story to bolster their point.
    One time my brakes failed and I got in a car accident.
     
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    If that happened to you then we shouldn't have brakes.
     
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    Why do you need this level of security in America when it is not needed elsewhere?
     
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    Murphy's law

    Don't you believe in it over there? "What ever can go wrong will - at the worst possible time" although I prefer "The perversity of the universe tends to a maximum"
     
  5. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    Because home envisions and mugging a happens all the time.
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not all gun owners shower with their gun, sleep with there gun, ect... if you are against security systems, don't get one
     
  7. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    security systems can even detect falls nowadays, maybe even saving you from a heart attack....
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not think either is a replacement for the other, both can do some things the other can not

    I get a alert on my phone when a door is opened, unlocked, if there is a fire, ect... this may prevent me from going home to danger, a gun can't do that, but yes there are things a gun can do that a security system can't too

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    I have always believed that Murphy's Law is an excuse for negligence and a symptom of victimology thinking.
     
  10. OrlandoChuck

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    What do you mean it's not needed elsewhere? You need to educate yourself on assault, mugging, rape, robbery, and home invasion statistics in places like UK, France, Mexico, Brazil, Germany, Venesuela, and Honduras..etc.......
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    One, but not the only reason, is that there is not far from 400 million guns in the US, some are in the hands of good guys and some aren't.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you will never be able to remove guns from the hands of criminals, only law abiding citizens
     
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    Never said I was "against" them. Just don't rely one totally. Read my man, read.
     
  14. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    think you need to take your own advice, go back and read my posts, I never said you had to rely on just one

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    I suspect we are well beyond the threshold of confiscation. We are not Austrailia where we were talking less than 1 million guns. In 2013 the ATF estimated 357 million guns in civilian hands. Well over 17 million background checks were recorded in 2014, with a record number exceeding 23 million in 2015. Background checks are not required for all sales in all states and those privately sold. It could be well likely there are over 400 million guns in civilian hands now. For a scale check, it is estimated that world-wide there are near 900 million guns in civilian hands with some 200 million in all the world's military. The thought that the government would be able to confiscate guns from civilian hand in the US, having a Second Amendment, and having twice the number of guns than all the world's military combined is not even close to a doable reality, particularly since there are a sizable number that would use armed resistance to prevent it. Places that are banning certain weapons, magazine sizes, etc. are not causing masses of people to turn over the contraband, but are in a very real way creating a class of resistent gun owner criminals that would otherwise be law abiding citizens that still keep their weapons.

    When I hear buy back talk, I think at what cost? If you were to do an equitable, fair buy back at market value you'd have to consider the average cost of a handgun is between $3-500 and for a long gun $400-700 with many costing two and three times that, and some, collector weapons costing many thousands. Any buy back scene would cost 10's of billions. Even at $100 per gun, it would cost 40 billion for all. No matter what level of buy back would be proposed, it would cost billions not only in buyback costs, but in the administration, increased enforcement personnel, and etc. Then, what of the increase in costs to citizens, additional policing costs, insurance losses, etc. with the follow on costs of increased crime by the armed criminal population.

    While I am sure there are strategies to mitigate the costs, only banning and buying back some classes of guns, few really understand the economic impact of the left's desire to disarm the population even if, by some stroke of the unlikely imagination the population went along with it. But, even among the military and law enforcement who would be responsible for confiscation or administering buy backs there are huge numbers that would side with gun owners as can be seen in Washington, Colorado and Oregon where some are refusing to enforce some of the laws recently passed.

    The only real chance the anti-gunners have is creating a magic wand...
     
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    I agree for the most part. I don't think it's can be a blatant federal ban. I do think that it will be more underhanded at the state level. Restrictions on magazines, taxes on guns and ammo, sabotaging bank relationships with gun stores, allowing victims and families of gun violence to civilly sue gun manufacturers and gun shops, appointments of non firearm friendly Supreme Court justices. Our government will continue to try to stigmatize gun ownership, they will try to shame gun owners, they will try to make gun ownership socially unacceptable by brain washing the children and youth of America.
    Make no mistake about it, the anti gun contingent is in it for the long haul. We must remain vigilant. We must fight all anti gun legislation that isn't proven to target criminals and not responsible firearm owners. We must teach our children the positive aspects of safe, responsible gun ownership. The youth will be the ones fighting the fight long after we're gone.
     
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    Answer the question as it was presented to you. Would you have us believe that those who are prohibited from firearms ownership simply do not illegally acquire firearms despite their legal prohibition?

    Because the courts of the united states are currently at odds with one another as to whether or not various melee implements constitute legal arms subject to protection under the second amendment.
     
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    The danger associated with freedom, represented by statistics such as yours, absolutely pales in comparison to the danger of zealots that would strive, with no more than good intentions, to keep us all safe and snug.

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    My advice to myself has kept me safe for 52 years. Thanks
     
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    I have been safe for about the same time and never owned either during 99% of that time.... so what does either of our stores prove.... these crimes are rare as winning the lottery?

    I would rather avoid the crime then confront it if possible, and with a security system that can be done, if your on your way home and someone breaks into your house... your alerted....

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    40 billion is much cheaper then the cost of the war in Iraq, so that does not bolster the argument... but the fact is, all Americans have a "right" to bear arms, so they could just buy new guns, so it would be pointless

    and I agree, prohibition has a cost as it increases crime

    now a criminal doesn't know if a household has a gun, if they knew none did, there would be more crime, as part of the danger associated with robbery would be gone

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    Why not? G-d forbid someone crashes through my front door, why does that action prevent me from grabbing my gun and quickly chambering a round, especially if I am closer to where I keep my gun than the intruder? I am not following your logic here. Any why would you have to "find" your own gun in your own house? How disorganized are you?

    Well, first of all, not all gun owners have young children. Second, I don't see why you think the concepts of an having an easily available firearm and keeping young children safe are mutually exclusive. G-d willing, my wife and I will have children of our own in the near future, and when that happens I intend to get a biometric safe that can only be accessed by my fingerprints and my wife's fingerprints.
     
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    My home has been broken into. With my wife at the time home alone. I have had things, including a car stolen.
    Crime does happen.
    Either you are prepared for it or you are not.
    I know plenty of people my age and older that have never been a victim of crime, yet once it happens. They are the ones losing their minds about it.
     
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    that is why I have a security system....

    if the alarms go off and your at home, also gives you extra time to get the gun, knife, bat.... if sleeping or in the shower, ect....

    not to mention, it may scare them off altogether....

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    You still don't seem to get it.
     

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