How long can Bernie last ?

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  1. oldjar07

    oldjar07 Active Member

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    Another problem he has is the bs argument that he doesn't have a foreign policy plan or doesn't care about it. I would take judgement over experience any day. Hillary has a record of being hawkish in every altercation. What strategy is there in that, what judgement does she show? Bernie Sanders does understand the events in other countries very well. He has a great understanding of geopolitics and will use a multifaceted response that shows he understands the underlying cause of a conflict rather than just launching a war against the next country on the list as is the "mainstream" foreign policy. I think it actually speaks volumes on the expertness of his foreign policy that the average person doesn't understand it. Do I agree with every part of his foreign policy? No, but make no mistake, Bernie has a very well thought out and viable foreign policy plan.
     
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    This is the side effect of what is essentially an opportunistic candidacy. Not having been a member of the party until last year he hasn't had the opportunity to build those relationships or build a profile outside the Nth East. His choice, his problem.

    Careful, you're starting to sound like a GOPer ;). Nobody is being 'used' to 'attack' Sanders. These groups are making decisions for their own reasons. Their support of Clinton is not an 'attack' on anyone. Those reasons are every bit as good as the enthusiastic young white voters turning our for Sanders. Perhaps they figure that Sanders will lose the Presidential poll or be unable to get his agenda through Congress, so Clinton is the better option.

    I agree that he is benefiting from Clinton having scared off everyone early. She has the 'moderates' sewn up, so that killed off Webb & Chaffee. O'Malley was on similar turf to Sanders, but is too 'conventional' for this year. Raising his profile for next time I suspect.

    You are overestimating Sanders & underestimating at least some in the GOP field.

    Sanders has had a relative dream run so far. Despite his supporters cranking up the victimhood narrative there has been very little by way of attacks. Clinton is tiptoeing around his record so as not to look 'nasty' and alienate his people. If he gets the nod the GOP is going to trawl his rich history and find an endless supply of attack material. Everyone knows everything bad about Hillary already.

    Rubio is VERY electable. VERY. Young, mildly charismatic, good speaker, great back story and being made to look 'moderate' by the craziness of Trump, Cruz & Carson. Also from Florida. Christie & Kasich might also be credible candidates, but they won't get the chance. All it needs is a big terrorism scare or something else that plays to the GOP narrative & the Dems could be in trouble, especially if the candidate is seen as 'weak' on National Security.
     
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    It may be well thought out (to you) but I'm betting it will play poorly with the moderate voters needed to win a Presidential election. He will get shredded on this issue, as he will on taxation.
     
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    Why should people get paid to go have babies? This is going to be an impossible sell the general electorate. More and more companies are forcing employees to 29.5 hours, because of the Obamacare mandate. How many of them do you think are willing to pay for people to be out for 4 months?
     
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    how many O haters do you think ever tried to help improve any aspect of the ACA or it's implementation?
     
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    Opportunistic candidacy? He's had to gain every vote due to his own merit as compared to Hillary basically being handed the nomination. I'm an independent, I understand why he's an independent, but with our 2 party political system, you have to run in either party to have any chance of winning.

    You completely misunderstood my point here. Yes, I agree that those groups make their own decisions and can vote for whoever they like. It's people outside of those groups that already don't like him that are using the argument that he can't win those groups is because he's racist or hates old people and wants to take away their retirement. People can have whatever opinion they like, but it's not true that he wouldn't be able to push through at least as much legislation as Hillary when it comes to benefitting Democrats or getting enough votes.

    Clinton isn't attacking him because it would do a disservice to her campaign, just as it would if the Republican field decided to attack him.
     
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    Compared to the Republican candidates views on foreign policy, lol? I'm sure he will get attacked on this issue. Objectively, he has at least the second most viable foreign policy, just behind Hillary, among the entire field. And i'd argue his foreign policy is much better than Clinton's. I hope the people will see this.
     
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    Bernie doesn't have the minority vote. Which is the kiss of death to Dems.

    Since 1948 the white vote has gone to the Republicans in every single election. So, the only hope the Dems have is the minority vote.

    But, it might not be enough for Hillary this year, as she won't drum up the same support Obama did with minority voters.

    If Bernie keeps losing after NH, because of the reason I stated above, he should go independent, taking the youth vote with him. I could see him doing that. :)
     
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    I just hope Bernie out lasts Clinton, then he can crawl back into his hole and disappear. Should be around June when that happens...
     
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    starting to look like there was a reason that Quinnipiac poll Friday had the 3 way Sanders (D) Bloomberg (I) pitted against various GOP questions in it

    The weekend of 4 March if she underperforms with latinos in Nevada ,blacks in SC and generates low turnouts on Super Tuesday.
     

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