This is why the wall will never work

Good question.

The major thing I remember was that the first entry was one moderate paragraph - so it couldn't include more than a fraction of what is there today, simply due to size.

I'm quite sure it did not include e-verify - a program that Dems pushed for in the bi-partisan immigration bill. However, Trump hasn't included the money or processes related to enforcement.

I think that one is significant, as the number of permanent residents who have no documentation went flat when our economy tanked - they come here for jobs, and jobs control is likely to make more difference than billions of dollars more fencing.

Also, he now mentions changes to our visa system, but it's unclear what he actually means by that. It's a slightly touchy issue, as we're not going to change our acceptance of tourism, foreign students, etc., and so when he says we're going to jail overstays, does he just mean Mexicans, or what?

On the other hand, he talks tough about those here without papers, but he doesn't have a coherent plan in his policy statement. He talks about more ICE officers, but that certainly does not answer the issues related to deporting 11M permanent residents. So, that's a major hole in his policy statement.

 

As far as I can tell, Trump's immigration plan has not changed from the moment it was announced and posted on his website. So I'm not sure what you mean about it changing.

Meanwhile, Hillary and Bernie seemed to have come to a consensus during the Univision debate that they both support some sort of wet foot dry foot program, where if you get to the US you can stay, and if you have family somewhere else, they can come here. That's effectively open borders. I'm not sure that's clear from her website, which is quite a bit more vague than anything on Trump's site.

 

no, I was referring to elected officials who refuse to serve the American people while they bend over backwards for virtually every one else, be that illegal immigrants, or syrian "refugees"



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The fact is...we have as many illegal immigrants here as we do because BUSINESSES WANT THEM HERE for their cheap labor.

Change THAT and you fix the problem.
Thanks for the bumper sticker BS. Syrian refugees amount to a TOTAL of 20,000 highly vetted people...over how many years? 4?

 

Yes, them too. The ones who hire them need some time in the pokey to see the error of their ways in not putting the well being of their countrymen first.

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Yes, send them home too. "highly vetted"? You realize the FBI director said it was impossible to be sure they could be fully vetted? You know that, right?

 

Yes and Chelsea said illegal aliens will be provided Obamacare if her mother is elected. FREEEEE stuff for anyone in the world.

I am sure the opponents of the wall and throwing the illegals out are listing their home addresses with the government to provide free housing to illegal aliens and "refugees" as we speak, so committed are they to helping out foreign nationals instead of their own countrymen.

How about it, fellas? They staying at YOUR house for free?

 

Opposing the wall does not mean you WANT illegal immigration. It just means you are not caught up in the trump hype over a project that will never be built

 

Prohibition merely ensures we will make criminals rich instead of the People.

 

Sure, and every time Trump has built a building, based on your comments, you would expect that the precise number, type, and cost of door knobs and closers would be specified on the day the concept is announced. Lacking those details you would say it was poorly thought out and incomplete, right?

Did you like Obama's presentation in 2008 on Obamacare? You know, with each and every detail in the 2000+ page bill spelled out during his election campaign? OH WAIT......

 

What is Mr. Trump's capital plan to earn multimillion dollar bonuses for the People? Any politician can waste the People's tax monies on boondoggles and generational forms of theft.

 

Well, you are right there. Obama has proved that over and over.

 

So, lets see some proposals from those opposed to the wall to stop illegal immigration for good and throw out the invaders who are here.

I hear a lot about what WON'T work. Lets hear what you think WILL work. Please include explanations about how a well engineered wall, sensors, drone monitors, etc. is just as easy to cross as an imaginary line on the ground. Explain your philosophy on keeping the doors to your home unlocked and opened because a determined trespasser can get in anyway.

Also, your proposal should include systems which are guaranteed to never be rescinded or prohibited from operating or being enforced like our current occupant has decided to do. E-verify? What if the administration in power doesn't enforce it?

I know absolutely that a wall will be there cannot be made to disappear at the stroke of a pen but anything requiring enforcement by the administration in power can be ignored.

So?

Qualification.

 

most politicians do. is Mr. Trump a Capitalist or not.

 

Walls can come down too. Look at Germany. This wall will NEVER be built. No one in congress wants it.

 

We need both. E-verify and stiff fines for people paying cash wages and hiring undocumented aliens. Jail for coyotes and trafficker.No jobs and no survival here for aliens...(and I know some think the word is un-PC but it is a good and accurate word).

But we do need a wall. Humans have known from the beginning of time that walls slow down invasion. History doesn't change - even for the Liberal Hypocrites!

Obama's home:
http://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2012/11/1116-obama-home-chicago.jpg?alias=standard_600x400

Hilary's Home:
http://i0.wp.com/savejersey.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/clinton-mansion.png

Guarded fences, wired hedges... they devise barricades for themselves.

 

A "market friendly work visa" program could function as that form of public sector means of production via that legal monopoly by the federal government.

Why not generate revenue in a market friendly manner, like Hoover Dam and the Fed?

 

What WILL work is cracking down HARD on employers who hire undocumented workers.

That's the ONLY thing that will work

I don't know why you claim to have not seen that.

I post it nearly daily.

 

You presume that the government will actually do that. That's the difference between a physical wall and a law. As Obama has shown, an executive can just refuse to enforce the law. But the wall will exist as a barrier. See, feel, touch. Can't just go POOF and its not there.

You may not recall, but Simpson-Mazolli had various kinds of requirements on employers to verify citizenship and legal right to hold a job. I remember filling out some forms and providing a birth certificate to my new employer for a job I got just after the law went into effect. Over time the requirements were loosened because of lawsuits by the usual suspects, a cottage industry in fake documents appeared (in Houston today there are even storefronts that sell employment documents, Mexico has gotten some jurisdictions to accept "Matricula Consular" cards from the Mexican government offices in town as a valid ID), enforcement declined precipitously over the years.

I agree e-verify should be put in place and vigorously enforced. In addition to visa tracking, visa reform, and better enforcement in throwing invaders out. We do all that AND the wall and ANYTHING ELSE that needs to be done until people don't come here illegally any more and there remains only a very small population of illegals in the country.

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What? Needs more 'splainin.

 

Yeah, but the people do. Including all those blue collar Democrats who are getting killed by a loose job market and competition for jobs that mean lower wages. The wall in Germany was there so dictators could keep people in. The people inside those countries wanted the wall to come down and demanded it from government. Our wall will be built to keep the free loaders, moochers, criminals, terrorist OUT to keep our people safe and prosperous and keep us a sovereign nation. Do you think our people would demand a wall intended to keep us safe should come down so the moochers and criminals can freely come in?

Do you believe the United States of America should be a sovereign nation or should we have open borders?

 

it is about using capitalism for all of its worth, as a social bailout.

 

OK, need more than that. Some examples please of policy that does what you say. What in your plan would keep illegal aliens out and our people sovereign?

 

I pointed out how Trump has changed, although I'll admit it's hard to tell when he really changes, as he pretty much just says what he wants to say whenever he sees a microphone.

And, you're reading of the Dems is pathetic.

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Strawdog nonsense argument - obvious fail.

 

Illinois County Sues Felonious Street Gang.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/03/24/illinois-county-sues-felonious-street-gang.htm

Finds out they’re in bed with a lot of Democratic machine politicians.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/

This gang is supposed to be one of the “outsider” Hispanic gangs.

 

Of course it will never work, the wall is just foolish right-wing populism to garner votes from ignorant people. If the plan really does work, I'll be surprised.