Deal reached to take California minimum wage to $15 an hour

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  1. danielpalos

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    do you believe it would be easier for small business to hire more qualified labor, if the least competitive labor market participants are simply subsidized on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.
     
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    well; that form of "commodity like metric" could be of benefit for metrics purposes.

    having some faith in Capitalism, i believe in market friendliness ostensibly in the name of Individual Liberty. thus, solving for socioeconomic phenomena would be a priority for me.
     
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    I think a federal min wage effects all states, but your right, have to be careful if making a state min wage too high

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    I believe just like people need speed limits on the roads or they may drive too fast or too slow

    rules are needed for min wages as well
     
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    how much is too high? maybe we need more input from a more social perspective; the physical layer of infrastructure may best be ensured by Government.

    there would be no reason for the public sector to not recover costs by simply charging the private sector a market friendly fee for commercial access to public sector "conduits to markets".
     
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    Just answer the question, why do you continue to repeat what you know to be a lie?
     
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    You are a super genius.
     
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    My preferred solution is fair free market capitalism, which would mean we do not do business with countries that do not operate under simular laws and regulations as we do and that we had far less federal intrusion in our markets.
     
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    Agreed, and I am Conservative as an M1A1 Abrams tank. But there is still a free market component to this. First, it was done at the state level, as the Founders preferred, IMMHO. It also does not reach that level until 2022, so is not as BOHICA as it could be. Minimum wage workers impact every level of basic services. Let the buyers of such reap what they sowed. We believe that we know how this will work in a competitive market system. It will hurt California more than it helps such. And those of us not in that cesspool will be able to watch from afar. And lock and load for when the liberal teat finally runs dry. It will.
     
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    illegal immigrants deserve living wages just as everyone else

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    no hitlers national socialism controlled the means of production, todays socialism wants to control most of their wealth which is almost the same but not quite, since they still get to keep some money for a lesser life of privilege.
     
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    If CEO's are smart enough to capitalize on the ignorant poor, they are certainly entitled to their wealth.
     
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    That's exactly what we want.
     
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    that is communist, the capitalists are in charge of employment at will and unemployment compensation, not the government.

    if the capitalists want the people to work for slave wages and little unemployment compensation, they'd better accept it or starve.
     
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    You actually think illegals will get the minimum wage required by law? You are such a sweet kid. lolz!
     
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    I find it odd that the very millionaires in politics and the media who whine about it NEVER purchase franchises, place them in under privileged neighborhoods, pay "living wages", offer benefits, vacation time, maternity leave and all of the other niceties that they tell others to offer. Have you ever asked yourself why?
     
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    Free market capitalism does not mean you tell corporations which countries they can do business with.
     
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    many illegals use fake identities and they are apart of the payroll as legal employees so they will get living wages too, the others who are assigned as sub contractors or paid under the table will continue as usual.
     
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    Government exists for social justice not capital justice.
     
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    My granddaughter's lemonade stand went out of business. Thank you Left Wing Nut Jobs
     
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    You either don't know what you are talking about or you are intentionally being deceitful. I was financial controller for a manufacturing company in San Leandro, Ca. from 1975-1985. The company had been in business for over twenty years when, in 1985, it went out of business. Why? Because in those 20 years, our union labor costs had risen to the point that we could no longer compete against competitors in cheaper cost of living states. Our products were labor intensive in welding and machining. It was labor costs that put us out of business, material costs were the same .
     
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    I would like everything to be in minimum wage units. Like the maximum a manager can get is 3x minimum wage and the maximum a ceo can get is 30000 times minimum wage. Of course im just plugging in random numbers but the concept is the only time the max salary of a position can move including ceo is when minimum wage also moves.
     
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    Wow. Since your a big Trump fan, and therefore a conservative, I wouldn't figure you would support mandatory minimum wage with a cap on CEO salaries. I agree with you but I am center left.
     
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    https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.co...st-conservatism-and-the-new-republican-party/

    nationalist conservatism baby :) trickle up is where its at.

    P.s. I never put a cap on CEO salaries. They can raise it as high as they want, as long as they bring up the lowest wage earners in their company too.

    Also what are you talking about? on some issues Trump is a lot more progressive than Hillary is.
     
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    What is the minimum wage intended to do? Give somebody a livable wage? Do all jobs qualify for the minimum wage? A burger flipper at McDonald's?

    The median salary in Fresno, Ca. is about $43,000. A husband and wife getting minimum wage of $11 equals that. Are entry level jobs supposed to support a family? Since when? I worked for McDonald's in Des Plaines, Il., while in high school in 1963. So did my brother. We both made $0.75 per hour.
    We were thrilled because after saving for a year we could buy a used car. I was 16. I was the night manager. I hired and fired people.
     
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    So what happens to mom and pop shops in the more rural areas of California that does not get the same business as a corner market on Venice blvd.?
     
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    living wage has nothing to do with it. Its meant to give people money to spend in the local economy so they create demand and then create more jobs to fill that demand. Setting a wage too low means that nobody has any money to buy anything so people produce less so you dont need as much workers leading to a death spiral.

    I couldnt care less about whether people have enough to live on (except me i need to be rich) its all about economic velocity.
     

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