Should all restrooms be degendered?

It is always curious when people cite statistics claiming that if there is one factor common to crime then it is irrelevant to care about the crime potentials anymore, ie taking your asserting that of those 80% none occurred in CURRENT bathroom designs, you assert the other 20% are irrelevant.

I suspect that most rapes are against minors in the home and in the context of "date rape."

However, I also am fairly confident that extremely violent and murderous rapes far more often are by strangers.

Finally, given your logic that few rapes now occur in public bathrooms - while rape in general happens by the millions - would seem absolute proof as to why to NOT change current laws about public bathrooms, doesn't it? If rapes are not now happening except very rarely under current designs and gender segregation of bathrooms we definitely should not change this.

What has not been shown is one instance, ever, anywhere, where a transwoman or transgender man has been raped by men in a the men's restroom. So there is no need for change - and you gave significant reasoning why there should be no change in relation to women and their safety.

In short, you proved my point, didn't you? Thanks.

 

I suppose you have some sort of license granted to you, to call the people here all sorts of names.

I am not the bigot here, quit projecting your illnesses on others.

 

If you have any reasoning whatsoever that opposing requiring all public bathrooms be individual, locking bathroom has anything to do with gay rights, explain that is.

 

The idea is to eliminate gender related conflicts over bathroom use, individual lockable bathrooms solve this issue.

As a police officer, I do not recall ever hearing of any of the other public bathroom issues mentioned before.

Rapes usually take place outdoors, not in bathrooms, however, I did run into a pervert in a roadside public restroom on I-40 West highway into L.A. lucky for me, I was a LEO at the time.

 

Some people feel more comfortable with the facilities being divided by sex. It should be left up to the business owner. If people don't like it they can go somewhere else.

I frankly don't see any danger in reliving myself in the same room as somebody of the opposite sex, or the same sex. I don't use locker rooms because they are covered with bacteria and I'm male and for whatever reason after a man turns 65 they have to engage in publicly blow drying their testicles while discussing the weather with me. So I don't really care.

I have urinated and dedicated in the wilderness like man kind has done for tens of thousands of years. When I go to the gym I change and shower at home, less likely to get athletes foot or a strange discussion about the weather.

 

And you could see him in there too, couldn't you?

 

I wonder how many of these rapes were by a man pretending to be a woman in the women's rest room.

 

Some funny and interesting links:

http://americanrestroom.org/design/ipa_rd.htm
http://www.dispenser.com/blog/organizedbath/european-vs-american-bathrooms/
http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/11/gender-neutral-bathrooms-building-codes
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...s-should-be-avoided-at-all-costs-9206081.html

 

I seen this on news. It seems to me a non issue and insanity to waste billions changing every toilet. They made decision. They not children. Grown adults. Use toilet like rest of us.

 

No, I could hear him.
That is how I knew what he was doing, then outside, I found him just as he had selected and was going to accost a young victim.
I put a stop to it.

 

It does not cost Billions, toilets do not have to be changed, this is no worse than when the ADA was passed.

 

Once again, what does this have to do with gay rights?

 

Of course it means total remodeling and significantly more space. Every separate bathroom has to have a toilet and its own sink - plus own door to the exterior - meaning a long front area for all the entrance doors. It would be VASTLY more costly than when the ADA was passed as for most locations it meant a ramp for the building and 1 wider stall with assign bars. This is major remodeling.

There are far, far more people in wheel chairs than there are transsexuals, and nothing stops transsexuals having access now so it isn't even the same topic whatsoever.

NOT ONE PERSON had given ANY need for any change. NOT ONE PERSON can point to ANY instance of a transsexual being assaulted for using the public bathroom that matches their genetic sex.

What seems like is searching desperately to create victimization of transsexuals to then have reason to rage about the victimization. Pass all the laws you will, but around here many of the men who find a man in a public ladies restroom - particularly if a girl in it - are going to beat that man into the ground, whether or not he's wearing a skirt.

But, then, I believe trans-activists exactly want that to happen, the more transsexuals assaulted the better so they can argue for even more special rights and protected legal status with even more special privileges.

In general, so many LGTBs seem to desperately need to claim victim status. I have yet to read even ONE gay member of any forum mention anything positive in their life about being gay. Rather, just sobbing and ranting about how awful it is for them almost like a who has the better victim stories.

 

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Those are your views, and you project them onto others to make your agenda seem correct.

You also seem to enjoy putting people down and gratuitous violence against others you do not particularly like.

You inject many falsehoods into the bathroom discussion, I know it is false because I always was involved in construction projects as my uncles had a large company and took time to teach me about it, I also took and passed college courses in construction and drawing building plans.

There are solutions rather than pointless fighting, the last bathroom project I worked on in Portland Oregon addressed this issue, it was solved simply by having individual bathrooms for any gender, one had a shower, it worked rather well and did not cost more money when done, even the building inspector was impressed, It was my design by the way.....

With individual bathrooms for everyone regardless of gender, everything is easily resolved, unless you love to fight.

 

Ah, NOW you're an architect!

What you claim in nonsense. Few public group bathrooms can easily be converted into a collection of mini lockable and totally private bathrooms, and it is a horrific idea due to reasons of security and safety.

It will never happen here regardless of any laws. They would eliminate public bathrooms instead of creating those nightmares.

And you have yet to show ANY need to do so. None whatsoever.

 

It's stupidity. Women will still get raped if a rapist can get into the ladies room.

And that's a moot point to make. Because rape is already illegal.

 

I was not making that point, JakeJ seems to think individual locked bathrooms regardless of gender, so one person, enters the bathroom, locks the door and takes care of business, JakeJ says this will lead to rape in bathrooms.

 

consider the source.

 

I said two things:

1. Mini individual public bathrooms that the occupant locks from the inside and are fully enclosed will attract bums for night-time and foul weather residence and
2. They are ideal for assault and rape as a person could be shoved into one with no hope that anyone else will come along to their rescue or hear them.

Many have pointed out the obvious that if it is illegal for men to be in or go in a public ladies only bathroom, then it is very problematical as in illegal for a man to hang out in or other seen in or seen entering - an instant warning to all. Once it became legal for men to be in ladies restrooms, seeing 2 or 3 men hanging out in a ladies restroom wouldn't even warrant calling the police.

But I also commented they are maintenance and sanitation disasters as well. And I commented on the enormous costs of remodeling.

There is NO governmental entity that has small rooms anyone can enter and securely lock a solid door in full privacy anywhere that I am aware of. Far MORE than public bathrooms now, those become bum shelters, private rape rooms and crime locations such as for prostitution.

Claiming "but women get raped now" is as reasonable an argument as to claim no residence, business or government building should have locks on their windows and doors because there are a million burglaries a year anyway. With the rarest exception, rape requires privacy and that is exactly what those lockable private rooms would be ideal for.

You commented that you caught a "pervert" in a public restroom and I have caught many bums in them, including the ladies restrooms. If they were in inside-locked, totally private rooms there would be no way to even know they are there.

There is a huge difference between bathrooms in such for a restaurant or C-store, where there are employees and customers - versus remote restrooms that are outdoors such as in parks - urban and remote locations. I am talking about the latter.

 

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There is a huge difference between bathrooms in such for a restaurant or C-store, where there are employees and customers - versus remote restrooms that are outdoors such as in parks - urban and remote locations. I am talking about the latter."

I never brought up those bathrooms at all.

NYC went to commercially made fully automated self cleaning pay to enter bathrooms for those locations.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/flush-with-cash-posh-pay-toilets-in-the-big-apple-2014-02-19

Funny thing.....

 

Those are public bathrooms, aren't they?

In Europe they also are shifting to pay-to-enter private bathrooms. I read the typical charge is around $2 US. ($1.5 EU).

So your solution is no public bathrooms at all for poor people for the sake of transsexuals? Yet not ONE harm to date has been shown to transsexuals whatsoever.

What do you think? If a person has to go and doesn't have a pocket full of quarters they're going to 1. pee and/or poop in public OR 2.) pee and/or poop in their pants? Which one would you prefer poor people and kids do?

 

Nobody consulted me on this issue, if They do not have a debit card or credit card most likely the person needing the bathroom is S.O.O.L.

 

Not a lot of kids or poor people have debit or credit cards.

 

I know.
Those folks in charge did not seem to care.

 

It is probably deliberate. Virtually all public parks used to be open 24/7 and free to use. Now, increasingly, they have limited hours to prevent anyone being able to stay overnight and even an entrance fee. Both serve the purpose of keeping bums and homeless out. For large families these fees can really add up.