Family considers suit as Citadel rejects hijab

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  1. RichT2705

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    I know you now want to leap to all other sorts of Hypotheticals Questerr, but really...your question was answered quite plainly.

    The rules are the rules. one has to make a choice because neither religion nor citadel are mandatory. If you decide youw ant to join citadel, then comply with the rules. If your religion is more important, well then dont go to Citadel. You dont have some right to get it both ways.
     
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    Why should crucifixes and yarmulkes not be allowed?

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    And rules can change. Rules shouldn't be maintained simply for the sake of being rules. They should be justified or abandoned.
     
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    Of course.

    Although as a serviceman yourself, you should recognize the need for uniformity. It's not like this is some arbitrary decision. Christians dont get to wear a Galero.
     
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    Uniformity already has exceptions. There is no reason to not allow something as small as a headscarf. Require it to match the uniform and there shouldn't be a problem.
     
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    When in uniform, Christians and Jews should conform to the rules of unifomity. Muslims should be given special accommodation.
     
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    The whole point of military training is to tear you down and rebuild you into a soldier. If you can't give up your old ways then you don't belong in the military or at the Citadel.
     
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    Again, why should the uniform not allow yarmulkes and crucifixes? Can you give a good justification for banning them besides "uniformity for uniformity's sake"?

    There are already exceptions to uniformity made for various reasons. Give a good reason why religious exception cannot be made.

    And BTW, I am both atheist and secularist and I don't see an issue with personal articles of faith while in uniform.

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    The military is not there to strip you of your religious beliefs.
     
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    Meh, Sorry unless you are also going to allow Galeros and all other religious headgear/garb...it becomes a special priviledge as anothe rposter mentioned earlier. We'll have to disagree here, as some religious garb is ridiculous.

    Say you allow the Hijab, then the Galero...how long before someone Nutcase Spaghetti Monster worshiper demands their collander? No, better off saying no at the outset IMO, before you have to honor everyones requests. It's the only fair way.
     
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    I disagree, they are there to do that if your beliefs conflict with the mission.
     
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    Christians are required by the Bible to wear Galeros?

    It's not the same thing.
     
  11. sec

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    those are symbols of Christianity and Judaism. The uniform code doesn't allow it so it must be respected.
     
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    How does being religious conflict with the mission?

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    So what? Why should personal religious symbols be banned in uniform?

    Give a reason why they should be banned.
     
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    I didn't say it did. What I'm saying is the hijab conflicts with the training. Wearing a uniform is training, just everything else the military does. If she can't participate in the training then she should go to state college.
     
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    So for instance, black men who get razor bumps should be banned from service because they cannot shave for medical reasons and that is not uniform, yes?

    So we ignore their capability and skill and base everything off of appearance.
     
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    Perhaps you are unaware of the location of the Citadel but it's within the USA

    here in the USA we do not permit Christianity or Judaism to be used as an "excuse" or as "justification" for doing something, not doing something or wearing something. In keeping with consistency, the Citadel must deny Christians and Jews from breaking the uniform rules but permit Muslims.
     
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    The problem some black men have with shaving isn't self-inflicted. It isn't a choice.
     
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    you appear to be confused

    I fully support special accommodations for Muslims; just not for Christians and Jews.
     
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    What possible justification can you have for that stance?
     
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    That’s not your true opinion. Isn’t lying a sin?

    I’m after an honest statement – do you believe this university should choose to, be expected to or be required to grant exemptions to its rules to account for any students’ religious beliefs?
     
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    Neither is religion. Belief is not a choice. You either believe or you don't.
     
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    He doesn’t believe that, he’s lying in an attempt to parody what he falsely beliefs is the real opinions of others.
     
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    The hijab is a choice. Choosing between the Citadel and a hijab is a choice.
     
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    I thought the idea of joining the forces was to defend your country, not your god. Still, I love the idea of going into battle with a collander on your head. But isn't that being a bit holey. oops
     
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    Are you sure this is required to be worn? I dont think it is, and if someone is that adherant to their religion...perhaps they should rethink things like Citadel. If you are for fair treatment for all, this leads to Spaghetti Collanders.
     

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