Family considers suit as Citadel rejects hijab

I’m not deeming what your opinion is, I’m attacking the dishonest manner in which you’re trying to promote it.

More lies. There are no legal precedents in USA law that explicitly refuse accommodations to Jews and/or Christians nor any that explicitly grant accommodations to Muslims. As per your constitution, any such accommodations apply to all religions or none at all. The fact individual cases involve imbalances of religions has nothing to do with legal precedent.

None of this covers what you think should be the case. If all the “precedent” could be wiped away and the constitution was acknowledged, do you support religious accommodation in this situation or not?

 

Are you kidding me? Are you going to claim there is a religion gene now?

Belief is of your own free will, no matter how or where you grew up. You have the choice to stick with it or you have the choice to disregard it. Religion is not part of ones biological makeup.

 

Joe, a little honesty from you would be good

To one point I agree, the precedent of the suppression of Christianity to accommodate another lifestyle/belief is neither legal nor constitutional but it continues to this day. With that said, and with accommodations made for Muslims by the TSA as well as other places, are precedents and should be cited as to why this Muslim girl must be accommodated.

I say that the uniform rules at the Citadel should not apply to Muslims. We've set precedents within this country and must be consistent.

 

Believe right not that socialism is correct and that the government should rightfully own all private property.

If you can't do it, why not? Belief is supposedly free will right?

It's not. Belief is not a choice. You either believe something or you don't. The process is subconscious.

And are you seriously going to argue that something has to be genetic for it to not be a choice?

 

If someone believes they should be in the military then how can they also believe that they shouldn't follow the same rules and training as everyone else?

 

Hijabs are not a tenet of any religion.

 

Your premise is half way retarded simply because you are saying what one will believe in is pre ordained lol.

A baby doesn't know what to believe, it has not received much info. A child only knows what it takes in, doesn't have the mind capacity yet to really make choices on their own behalf. Belief, in all aspects is a choice in the end, once the mind matures you begin to make your own opinions on the information you receive.

Belief in a religion or lack there of is not assigned to any specific person. For Christ sakes you are talking like being religious or non religious is a program that was installed while you are in the womb lol.

Belief in anything is a process in which is ever changing, it is not absolute.

 

That argument would be valid if the military did not already make exceptions to policy and uniformity.

 

What do you get this idea that I am saying dang thing about preordained? Something doesn't have to be pre-ordained for it to not be a choice.

Belief is a subconscious process. You either believe things or you don't. You can't choose to believe something that you don't believe. It doesn't work like that. You either get convinced by some sort of evidence or information or you remain unconvinced.

Certainly that can change, but the changes aren't conscious and are not a choice.

 

Yes, I know, I've asked you twice already. The exception you're talking about is black guys with ingrown hairs which is a medical problem, not an issue involving choice.

If I'm a soldier, and I was, and I see an officer wearing a hijab the first thing I'm going to do is doubt that woman's commitment to the team. The first thing the Army does, at least to males, is shave your head and issue you your gear including your uniform. It is literally the first training you receive. If someone can't handle the first, basic training received by all others then why should I accept them? People like that hurt team cohesion.

 

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That statement is debatable. Doxastic voluntarism is a philosophical view that people elect their own beliefs. That is, that subjects have a certain amount of control over what they believe, such that a subject may choose whether or not to believe a certain thing

 

There's more than that. We don't require all female soldiers to have the same hairstyle. There's numerous medical exceptions to uniformity. There are lots of exceptions to uniformity already.

 

BS. Belief is a conscious choice. What you believe today can change buy tomorrow. The process is totally conscious thinking. People thought the earth was flat because someone told them it was flat. They didn't dream it, they were wide awake and then through reasoning, they found out it was roundish.

 

So believe right now that socialism is correct, Barack Obama is the best president is US history, and that Islam should rule the world under Sharia Law. Make the conscious choice to believe those things if belief is really a choice.

 

I notice you're now going with medical exceptions.

 

Religion is a conscious choice, again it is something that evolves. Just like some people believe one political party is the truth, but then their views change and they change parties.

If a belief in something was as you say, then MANY of the greatest scientists would have never made new foundings that crushed their original belief in something and totally changed the way they thought about a particular subject.

Belief is a choice, it is not absolute. When I was younger I believed the Catholic Church was the correct path for me, but then I changed my mind on my own and don't believe any church is the right way.

According to you I could never have believed at one time in my life that the Catholic Church was totally correct and saying that my choice to disband myself from it was always in the cards for me. As if it was already chosen for me but I did not know it yet lol.

You are saying we are really all robots , and our lives are chosen out of the gate. Bullocks.

 

Hairstyles are medical exceptions?

And why should we make special exceptions for medical conditions like razor bumps known prior to enlisting?

 

You used the actual words medical exceptions.

How is a hijab like a medical exception?

 

We don't require all men to have the same hairstyle either. There aren't numerous medical exceptions. You don't know anything about the military, stop pretending you do. People with medical problems are restricted from joining.

 

I hear that. It was marine Taper #2 for me but some guys went full blown high and tight.

 

That's absurd. I choose not to believe those things.

 

No, what I am saying if you did not choose on your own to abandon the Catholic Church. You were exposed to evidence or information that changed your beliefs through a subconscious process.

If it was a conscious process, then you should be able to go "oh, I'm going to follow the Catholic Church again and all my previous beliefs are wrong". But you can't do that neither can anyone else. You either find information convincing or you don't.

Handedness is not a choice. It's also not pre-ordained or genetic. It's the result of many unconscious processes. Eye dominance is the same. Hand writing style. There are lots of things that are not choices, are not pre-ordained, and are not genetic.

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So without you making that choice, you would believe in them by default?

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I was allowed to wear sunglasses in formation permanently after getting PRK. That is a medical exception to uniformity.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

 

Left handed people still have to salute with their right hand and there's nothing subconscious about deciding religion is bunk.

 

So you are not convinced by any evidence brought forward for religion yes?

That process is not conscious. The acceptance or rejection of evidence is a subconscious process.

 

Bring some evidence and we'll discuss it.

The process is conscious. I read the Bible, was subjected to church, and realized everyone was full of crap. So I left. Nothing subconscious about it.