God will accept , embrace and love homosexuals as his own creation .

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    When Jesus started His Church the purpose was that His Church was and is to be the instrument for change in the world.....one cannot preach the gospel of the kingdom of God and not have an influence on society in a positive way. Think about it; just imagine what the world would be like if politicians, actors, TV network owners, sports figures, schools and so on was heavily influenced by the people of God.


    But unfortunately, many false teachers/prophets/ministers of God have deceived the majority of believers to abandoned the commanded Jesus gave to preach and teach the Nations.


    But I'm not talking about standing at the street corner somewhere and preaching hellfire and damnation. I'm talking about God's people interacting with others in a way that will cause people to be under their influence. I've had personal experience of this. For example:I've had individuals when they were around me, were carful about what they say in my presence. But if they said something that they thought I would not have approved of, they apologized to me.....this they did without any pressure on my part. This is why Jesus told His disciples that they were the light of this world.....it's the people of God's responsibility to lead the path, because those in the world are walking in spiritual darkness.....they don't know their right hand from their left.....hence we have a society like the U.S, the way is it.
     
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    Right ... and God himself sat down with you for Tea told you this.

    Quit claiming to know things as "fact" when you do not know these things are fact.
     
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    Holy nonsensical non sequitur twaddle Batman. A man and a woman do not have to get married to have children.

    Quit pretending to know things as fact that you don't.

    What arrogance these humans who claim to know the mind of God.

    Careful with that one ... Speaking for God is the one unforgivable sin according to the Bible (IMO)
     
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    Just because you don't know something does not mean I don't.
     
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    God created marriage for the purpose of physical union between a man and a woman.....that's the environment which God intended people to have children. He didn't commanded us to go and have as many sex partners as we want.



    How would you know what I know? To the one who is physically blind he can say to the one who can see, you are arrogant to say, I can see all that is in front of me.


    I don't know which book you are reading that you call the Bible, but the Bible that I have studied, tells me that the only sin that God won't forgive is blasphemy.



    For your information, God's people speaks for God and represents Him on the Earth.

    Luke 10:16 (Darby)
    16 He that hears you hears me; and he that rejects you rejects me; and he that rejects me rejects him that sent me.
     
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    Like he made slavery clear? Like he made women's rights clear? Don't pretend the bible has every single instruction to life for all time in it.


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    Except gay people right?



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    Careful [MENTION=10781]BFSmith@764[/MENTION], claiming too much fact leaves little room for faith. Faith is after all what religion is about right?


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    Murderers are, if they murder abortionists :roflol:
     
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    How very pro life of you.


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    I am almost militantly pro-choice. That was a joke.
     
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    It is God's prerogative to allow or do what He choose over His creation. Mankind have made the choice to disobey what God had commanded them not to do, so mankind is suffering as a result of the bad choices they have made.

    By the way, show me one Country today that can boast that it have not committed any injustice against others, then I say that is the Country to imitate. You sit where you are in a Country that has committed more violence and injustice than anything you will ever read in the Bible. Have you spoken out and condemned the gross injustice committed by your government?
     
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    Where did that come from? You have no ground to stand on with that statement against me.


    And speaking of religion, do you really believe that God is religious? Was it religion that Jesus preached for three and a half years?
     
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    Can you show me in the Bible where God made some people to be homosexuals and lesbians?
     
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    Hahaha got it! There should be a sarcasms emoji that works on this site and Tapatalk lol! Haha, good one ;)


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    Yes, yes I have. The US military is the government's wet dream. It's like our leaders get off on violence. Oh no wait, they just profit from it. War is very profitable to a few, I'm convinced it's always about money. Back to my point though, just because everyone has done it doesn't give us an excuse today. Did God create slavery? It's scattered throughout the bible and God is silent on the topic.


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    No, he wasn't preaching religion, he was preaching faith. Faith that he was the son of God. Faith that god would take care of them. Faith is what it's supposed to be about, but the Christian Right proclaims fact. Jesus didn't need to prove anything, he instilled faith in his followers.


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    Can you show me where in the bible God made the grizzly bear? Or the bottle nosed dolphin? Or dandelions, aspen, cardinals, owls or prairie dogs? Every creation on earth is not listed, so who are you to assume God did not create homosexuals? To assume he didn't simply because it's not written down takes a lot of arrogance.

    This is who I am, if you think God created everything then he created homosexuals.


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    I am not the one claiming to know the mind of God. That would be you.

    Quit claiming to know things as fact when you don't
     
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    Yep. Non-human ones, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail

    The New Mexico whiptail (Cnemidophorus neomexicanus) is a female species of lizard found in the southern United States in New Mexico and Arizona, and in northern Mexico in Chihuahua. It is the official state reptile of New Mexico.[1] It is one of many lizard species known to be parthenogenic. Individuals of the species can be created either through the hybridization of the little striped whiptail (C. inornatus) and the western whiptail (C. tigris)[citation needed], or through the parthenogenic reproduction of an adult New Mexico whiptail.

    The hybridization of these species prevents healthy males from forming whereas males do exist in both parent species (see Sexual differentiation). Parthenogenesis allows the resulting all-female population to reproduce and thus evolve into a unique species capable of reproduction. This combination of interspecific hybridization and parthenogenesis exists as a reproductive strategy in several species of whiptail lizard within the Cnemidophorus genus to which the New Mexico whiptail belongs.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

    Parthenogenesis (/ˌpɑːrθᵻnoʊˈdʒɛnᵻsᵻs, -θᵻnə-/;[1][2] from the Greek παρθένος parthenos, "virgin", + γένεσις genesis, "creation"[3] ) is a natural form of asexual reproduction in which growth and development of embryos occur without fertilization. In animals, parthenogenesis means development of an embryo from an unfertilized egg cell and is a component process of apomixis.

    Gynogenesis and pseudogamy are closely related phenomena in which a sperm or pollen triggers the development of the egg cell into an embryo but makes no genetic contribution to the embryo. The rest of the cytology and genetics of these phenomena are mostly identical to that of parthenogenesis.

    The term is sometimes used inaccurately to describe reproduction modes in hermaphroditic species that can reproduce by themselves because they contain reproductive organs of both sexes in a single individual's body.

    Parthenogenesis occurs naturally in many plants, some invertebrate animal species (including nematodes, water fleas, some scorpions, aphids, some bees, some Phasmida and parasitic wasps) and a few vertebrates (such as some fish,[4] amphibians, reptiles[5][6] and very rarely birds[7]). This type of reproduction has been induced artificially in a few species including fish and amphibians.[8]


    I heard about them from Aron Ra, I think in one of his "Refuting the Irrefutable Proof of God" videos responding to some creationist diatribe video :D
     
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    Adultery as per OT Law did not forbid men from having sex outside of marriage - so long as the woman was not married. Most if not all of the Patriarchs, including Moses and Abraham, had sex with women outside of marriage to "one woman".

    Regardless. Just because some human writes a story about God, does not make the information about God in that story true.

    If you disagree, then you must also believe in Thor, Zeus and Athena as there are stories about those God's.


    How would you know what I know? To the one who is physically blind he can say to the one who can see, you are arrogant to say, I can see all that is in front of me.


    Not all blasphemy but I agree that the unforgivable sin is kind of blasphamy - "Speaking for God- putting words in God's mouth "



    Pauline gibberish but, regardless. Preaching about the message of Jesus is not the kind of "speaking for God" I refer to.

    Preaching the message of Jesus and putting words in God's mouth are two different things.
     
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    The majority of Americans ARE Christians.

    Billy Graham lobbied Nixon to bomb the holy @#$@ out of the Vietnamese people.

    Ted Cruz (and so many others) advocate in support of Israel's ethnic cleansing program - an on-going humanitarian atrocity.

    Trump gets the appeal of the masses with his hate for Islam, which absolutely does come from the Christian right and their holy war concept.

    etc., etc., etc.

    I'm in favor of you continuing to be holier than you consider me to be, but take a look around. It is YOU who has the majority, not me. So, be a little careful when you start jotting down who is naughty and who is nice.
     
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    Jesus talked about faith but preaching faith was not His main message.....their are countless scriptures in the New Testament that stated exactly what Jesus preached about, but it's amazing the very very few see it.

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    By whose definition?
     
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    The original intent was one man and one woman, but God in His infinite wisdom choose not to make it an issue, but it does not mean it was the best thing for them to do. And in all of what God allowed, homosexuality, lesbianism, pedophilia and bestiality was not tolerated. The purpose of the New Covenant is to get back to God's original idea of marriage.



    We're talking about the Bible here, not some guy on a forum passing off his opinion and expect people to believe him.


    Show me something that Thor, Zeus inspired someone to prophesied world events and it came to pass exactly as it was said, and I might consider the possibility of them being real.



    Where in the Bible have you read that speaking for God is blaspheming? I will not be holding my breath on that one, because I know it's your opinion.



    Paul didn't write the book of Luke and it was Jesus that was being quoted by Luke.
     
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    Have you not read in the Bible that God's people was given the mind of Christ? Who are you listing to and believe them?
     

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