It was due to the racism, the right side of their socialist government said the immigrants would come there for a check. Open borders would mean immigrants going there to collect a check, otherwise they wouldn't view human beings so negatively, that if you pay them to do nothing, they won't work. No one wants a miserable life of just paying for rent and food, most will use their idle time for good not evil, contrary to the bible. The net benefit of those who prosper will set the world in advance many generations, and more than make up for those who use it not to work due to not finding passion in life at the moment. I think they knew that all already anyway. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36454060
If you just handed me at 18 no strings attached a check and being born disabled, and if I knew this would be given to me at 18, I wouldn't have bothered with an education at all blowing off school at some point and played role-playing games as much as I could then once getting the big money do that a lot more hanging out all day at the gaming shop and with friends. I never lived high off the hog I just needed a little studio apartment, well located to shopping and a little electric scooter to get around in so it would have been a disincentive to working or even getting a High School Diploma. I for example wouldn't have worked as hard as I did on performing skills to sidewalk perform and have been at one time a serious Busker for a time I made a nice living in the EU when much younger as such an artist. I never had an easy life but when I was more fit I worked all kinds of jobs on and off the books because I had to make money. Largely living on less than $2500.
to be fair if they gave me 2500 a month i would probably be a part time student for the rest of my life or work parttime at best 2500 seems overkill eitherway. and its probably one of the reasons they voted against to but i could see the reasoning behind 1000 or so allowing people to pay for basic housing/food/electricity/water ect but stil having to work for the rest and guarentees that the kids have what they need to go to school and get a education. but then again i dont know the cost of living in swiss, though i cant believe that its more then double that of flanders
Your missing the point. If it had passed all welfare would stop, it wasn't to be a payment on top of welfare, it was to replace it. Imagine if it was introduced in the US how many billions would be saved in the administration of welfare, food stamps, housing benefits, free phones etc.
Charles Murray had a pretty good article about his version of basic income in the Wall Street Journal over the weekend: A Guaranteed Income for Every American I think it's an unrealistic fantasy however. You're not going to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and all the other social programs for a basic income.
Did you bother reading the law that was on the ballot? Neither of you know what you're talking about. There are 253,174,000 adults and 63,826,000 children in the US. 253,174,000 * $2,500 * 12 = $7.6 TRILLION 63,826,000 * $625 * 12 = $478 Billion Total price tag = $8+ TRILLION. You have no way of funding that, since your 79 Welfare Programs cost $1.3 TRILLION, and you only pull $795 Billion in FICA taxes. From where will you get the other $6 TRILLION?
motivation shouldn't come from a need to eat, that is the most basic of functions of humans and its barbaric for any society to use it as motivation. the basic income will allow the necessary time for individuals to really think about what they want to do without the fear of starvation and homelessness in the back of their mind. most jobs are filled by people driven by a need to eat and house, only the rich and privileged actually have time to naval gaze, but why would they want to innovate or better the lives of most of society when they can't relate to them?
But that would be to discriminate against the aliens and we all know what a dirty word 'discrimination' has become these days!
Yes I know, but the liberal fraternity think everyone else should get the same privileges irrespective of nationality. You know how stupid they are!
True. Total US goverment spending on all levels is $6.7 trillion in 2016. It is already not enouph. And I still can't see what is the point of taking money as taxes first and then giving them back as basic income.
The problem is birth citizenship and migrants having anchor babies to establish residency through their children. There's also the problem of mail order brides marrying men just to get the citizenship or residency, and then leaving the man as soon as they get what they were after. Yes, theoretically if a country was more stringent with its citizenship, the concept of universal basic income could work. But right now, as things are, it would never work in Western Europe or America. Also, if you allow people to continually reside in your country but deny them citizenship, over several generations that is going to result in a long-term underclass of people, and is not going to be very conducive to social stability or equality.
Well there goes the opportunity to use the Swiss as guinea pigs to find out whether a basic income can work on a major scale. But I understand the Swiss reluctance to participate in this experiment. Plus no one wants to give anything to the poor, who won't work their way into wealth.
The US tried Basic Income during the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s and it failed. The New Jersey Income Maintenance Experiment 1968-1972 The Rural Income Maintenance Experiment 1970-1972 The Gary, Indiana Experiment 1971-1974 The Seattle Income Maintenance Experiment 1972-1982 The Denver Income Maintenance Experiment 1972-1982 Cash payments were made to households in the amount of $1,000 per month in the SIME/DIME programs resulting in the households reaching the median income for the time, which was $12,000 annually.
I agree that's a problem, but I don't consider it particularly relevant to this issue. You do realize that mail-order marriages actually have a better chance of surviving than standard marriages, don't you?
in Europe exists allready Basic Income, social help, you get flat, insurance, and some houndred dollar per month...
Yes we have. I know one dude that was on basic income or be it social help. It's not really something one wants. You get paid as you said, but you are living like a damn vegetable. Money for food and thats that.
Unlike the US, most countries don't accept it. They stick to citizenship through inheritance. There are laws against that. A rich Swiz old lady who claimed to have found some foreign toyboy / love of her life. The government denied their marriage. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-officials-fear-victim-immigration-scam.html Most European countries give unemployment benefits, so they can rent some crap place to live, buy food ect. The Swiss probably have that too. So they are voting against an idea that is already there. Bit weird. Also, if you allow people to continually reside in your country but deny them citizenship, over several generations that is going to result in a long-term underclass of people, and is not going to be very conducive to social stability or equality.[/QUOTE]
