Should No Fly List Bar Weapons Purchase?

What about due process that you don't understand.

 

I was unaware dangerous criminals purchased weapons that have a paper trail? I always thought they purchased them from the black market, from other trusted or known criminal sources. Law abiding citizens who all the sudden go out on a rampage, that's just something unfortunately that happens. Although rare it is impossible to control that. There is no such thing as a perfect society, never has, never will be. If we give up our liberties to try and reach a perfect society, we will most definitely receive neither.

 

Car accidents kill more people than guns. Why are you not asking to ban cars? Is it not that one was killed, rather only how? Why are you appearing to be hypocritical, do you own a car?

 

You might want to go back over the article and read slower.

While it is true that Senator Kennedy HIMSELF was not on the no fly list, there was a guy with the SAME NAME as Kennedy that WAS on the list.

This resulted in ANYONE with Kennedy's name from boarding an airplane.

If YOUR name was Kennedy, you wouldn't have been able to board your plane, and you wouldn't have access to the DHS Secretary to get your name cleared.

This is an ongoing problem. The name on the list doesn't even have to be EXACT it just has to be SIMILAR.

Ask the 12 Robert Johnson's that 60 Minutes did a special on.

While they have tried to make some improvements, I don't feel comfortable with the crack members of the TSA making that decision for me.

 

Is guilty until proven innocent the new Democrat party platform?

 

Why not put us all on a no fly list that way you can ban guns?....

Kind of a circumvention right?

I believe people who sell guns should have discretion, if they believe the individual buying the gun is funky then they shouldn't be required to sell the weapon.

 

They aren't. I was at a gun show in Miami (pre-background check), where a gun dealer refused to sell to this guy.

 

Especially seeing as the TSA themselves can't even properly bet aviation workers.

 

Have we met? Quote me on it. I very much do not support stop and (*)(*)(*)(*)ing frisk. Don't support the Patriot act either. Or (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Terry stops. Do not ever assert such about me ever again.

A deprivation of constitutional right is by definition a deprivation of LIBERTY. One may not be deprived of liberty (amongst other things) without due process of law.
This is why we can't have nice things Lesh. Because you don't understand base level constitutional rights like most of the rest of the electorate. Disgusting.

 

There was an interest case of a UK bureaucrat placing his own wife on their no fly list and by so doing keeping her from returning home from a trip abroad for a number of years.

There is little or no protection from such lists being abused and as others had pointed out no due process.

 

I would be okay with this provided that the process for getting on and getting off the list is made known, and the burden of proof on why a specific person should be barred from owning guns is on the government.

I would not be okay with it being a blanket ban you receive just by being on the list. Convicted criminals are one thing, because they've had a trial and were found guilty, but people on the no-fly list have had no trial and shouldn't automatically lose their 2nd amendment rights.

 

I'm a right wing guy all the way through, but I would also say If you can't fly then you can't buy! That is actually a pretty good slogan isn't it? Now I've got to say something to make liberals mad at me so I would also add this reminder that for law abiding citizens in good standing, owning and carrying a firearm is a guaranteed right of the 2nd amendment, period.

 

How many Democrats and Republican members of Congress found themselves on the no fly list ?

Interesting, looks like Omar Mateen didn't make the "No-Fly List."

 

I think that if we've learned anything from this thread, it's that Lesh doesn't care about due process.

 

Because its been said that only 1 out of 100 on the no fly list actually should be on it.

 

You speak without knowledge. I have personal knowledge of innocent people mistakenly on the list. There was a news story about a nine-year-old boy who discovered he was on the list when he went to fly to a tournament with his soccer team. If he had never tried to fly, he would never have known.

 

What we've learned is that the NRA makes up your mind for you.

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So he needed a gun?

 

Sure ya do. I mean what with 40,000 people on the list in a nation of 300 million...the odds are really good that you would not only know one but one who doesn't deserve to be on the list

 

Searching people at random because of the way they look and punishing people for thought crimes is sensible to any totalitarian. So what's your problem with stop & frisk?

 

What does the NRA have to do with the fact that you think people should be denied their rights, because they end up on a list? Oh wait, nothing at all. If you're a scumbag that doesn't believe in due process, just own up to it, instead of peddling lame deflections for your scumbag positions.

 

an extra FBI check for anyone who is/was on the terror-watch or no-fly list?

why not. surely can't hurt.

 

Reposted for relevance. And because the OP never responded to this very important point.

 

Wow, you actually made a reasonable suggestion. Additional scrutiny for anyone on the lists, but not an extrajudicial denial of rights without due process. Keep it up, Ron. You may yet become an American.

 

I have no problem with this. If you are on that list, the FBI should be watching you pretty closely anyway. Interestingly, the ACLU is one of the chief opponents of barring weapons sales to listed individuals. And of course, the gay Muslim terrorist security guard who shot up the club in Orlando was not on the no-fly list. So he'd still legally qualify... if his wretched corpse weren't sliced open on a metal table somewhere at this moment.

 

Yes, yes it should. It's far easier to buy a gun and shoot 100 people, than hijack a plane and crash into buildings. Obviously that's not impossible, but it's a heck of a lot less likely. No fly, no guns.


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