Capitalism Is Slavery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Money Is Violence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only story we have ever heard for our entire life is "capitalism is the best and its the best we can do" and that the obscenities, failures, and injustices of the capitalist system are "just how it is".

We should ask ourselves two questions,

1) If capitalism is so good, then why has it crashed twice in 75 years and had 11 downturns in between, each time making the rich richer.

2) If we live in a democracy, a democracy people fought and died for, then why is it acceptable to spend 70% of our life in a dictatorship between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. being paid far less than what we make per hour for the guy at the top and his idle share-holders.

We either change how we organize our employment and end the reign of the 1% or we can continue with capitalism providing we are willing to accept that it will cause the greatest holocaust in human history, that of our ecological suicide and Civic collapse.

You hear nothing about them because the 1% own the media, they own finance, they own our elected officials. Where they have been able to do so, they have attempted to stop worker co-ops, where they couldn't stop them they control the flow of information to the people via the media.

The 1% control finance thus it is near impossible for cooperatives the get startup loans and western governments have been in no rush to help (notable exceptions of Italy and Spain)

The UK Labour party is going to launch a £100 Billion public bank that will only lend to cooperatives and small business which will massively increase their number from within and build a UK cooperative sector.


There are thousands of them employing millions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cooperatives

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. --- Abraham Lincoln

 

Government trying to fix thing not capitalism are responsible for most of these down turns.A lot of rich people not only didn't get richer they last everything. Who is in the bottom twenty per cent and top twenty percent use to change constantly then the government thought they could fix things. Then it became harder to move on up or fall down. Now with government indirectly controlling everything it is increasingly difficult to go up and fairly easy to fall down.

 

(1) Capitalism always recovers from it excesses. Socialism simply dies as in the USSR, Eastern Europe, et. al.

(2) Because the boss is smarter than you and knows how to organize the labor of his employees to produce wealth.

BTW 9 to 5 is only 33% of your life and counting weekends and holidays, only 20% of your life is on the job, not the 70% you claimed. See, this is an example of the boss being smarter than you.

 

Capitalism will never fail because it will always have socialism to bail it out. --- Ralph Nader

 

First ‘Capitalism’ is roughly a translation of the pejorative term used by Karl Marx to describe the class of men he called the elite “bourgeois” society who owned and controlled “society’s capital resources.”

I don't want that, you don't want that. I also have no interest in Karl Marx's vision, the application of which, has killed millions.

We want out our Founders and Framers envisioned and imperfectly brought into the world, Free Markets, Free Choice, Free Will and the securing of our right to contract and possess property.

To Form a More Perfect Union is an ongoing process, they fought hard, improved but left imperfection and handed the baton to us, we mainly sit around and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about what they didn't' get done, rather than simply continuing the work.

 

If you have any better ideas....I'm all ears.

 

You have two choices 1) Work for an established company trading your labor for the capitol to purchase the way of life you desire. Or 2) take the risk and insecurity of owning and running your own business, working much longer hours and having to pay employees.

The first choice is what most people choose, why you ask. Most employers provide health care and take care of the payroll taxes, as well as some type of retirement plan.

The second choice, you have to provide all those things yourself.

Now as for being one of those lazy shareholders, there are many investment vehicles for you to choose from. From mutual funds, index funds, DRIPs, and others. I prefer DRIPS myself and am in several...I prefer to choose my stocks myself...My largest holding by far is Exxon Mobile (XOM), I invested starting in 1981, it has split 7 times since then. You can actually get started in this DRIP for as little as $50 a month for 5 months or an initial investment of $250.

Now quit your complaining about capitalism and use it to your advantage...Or move to China.

 

As a matter of fact capitalism gives this two choices:

1.Work for an owner giving him for free a part of your labor, because capital as we know is nothing else but an unpaid labor of employees.Ie,it is a choice to be exploited.

2.Try to become an owner yourself and assign the labor of others,it's a choice to be an exploiter.

Communism gives a different opportunity - the opportunity of working for society and for youself.

Comminism is association instead of competition, solidarity instead of the suppression of the weakest.

Now let capitalist fans tell us how exellent are inequality, competition and suppression and how exellent is Nazism,the quintessence of capitalism,that based just on this three priciples.

 

Successful business owners risked their capital to start a business. You have risked nothing. Want to stop working for the man? Start your own business, risk your own money, be the first one in and the last one out.
I dare you. Or go Occupy Wall Street and see how that works out for you. Complaining about the system will not bring any change to you or the system.

 

The problem is that no two people are exactly alike. Communism doesn't work because those in power enjoy more perks than those at the bottom. There is still a class system within communism that is always present. Do you think Putin lives the same as a restaurant worker and makes the same money, NO!
True communism does not exist, Karl Marx dream is a fantasy.
As for capitalism, if I don't like the company I work for I am free to leave...If I improve my situation through education, gaining skills, I am free to leave, I don't have to stay there or ask permission...It is wise to give your 2 weeks notice so that you don't burn a bridge...But hey, you keep thinking that the utopia exists, the rest of us live in the real world.

 

I love how when you confronted his mathematics and we went from 70% down to 20% now, he had NOTHING to say about his numbers, he just went into deflection mode and spun off into a ralph nader quote... its just stunning how when people are shown to be factually incorrect, they don't address that or refute it with support, just spin and deflect...

P.S. and if we added retirement as well as early education, that 20% drops even more... but I would be willing to consider school a job for the sake of argument, but not retirement...

 

Actually there are no two people alike but this is not a problem."From each according to ability, to each according to labor" - this is a principle of the first phase of communism known as socialism. By equality Marxism means, not equalisation of earnings,but a) the equal emancipation of all working people from exploitation ; b) the equal duty of all to work according to their ability, and the equal right of all working people to receive in return for this according to the work performed.Soviet communism provided this equality and it worked.No utopia.

 

Return to feudalism!!!

No more concerns for money!

But lots more violence and slavery.

 

Funny how well that worked in the old Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc. Or how about in Cuba, China, and N. Korea, Bolshevik.

 

Capitalism = minimal governmental interference = maximum freedom

Socialism/communism = strong governmental interference = minimal freedom

 

These hyperliberal socialist morons have no concept of how an economy works successfully. At best, history has shown that Socialism "works" only in small, homogeneous countries that typically amass enormous amounts of national debt over time. At worst, we have the examples of Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and the now-failed Soviet Union.

When you mash all the air bubbles and bull (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the argument, it boils down to this: Socialism doesn't work, and can't work because it relies on the principle that one person must work to support himself AND other people who don't or won't work for their own existences. And, if forced to work, they expect to be paid far in excess of what they are worth in an open, free-market economy.

Don't misunderstand me, please. I'd love for some wonderful thing to happen which would let everyone in the world live like millionaires without having to spend a minute doing any "work". And maybe we'll achieve that as a species in about another two or three hundred years. Through science-fiction types of leaps in technology, it COULD be possible. Consider what you can do with 3-D printing right now! We could have an entire civilization where you just dump cubic miles of various kinds of molecules in one end of some "miracle machine" and everything you need or want comes out the other end, on demand! But everyone reading this will be long dead before anything like that happens....

. Wish with one hand, and put the other hand under your butt -- and see which one gets full first....

 

It worked so well that one of your defence ministers has leaped out from the 16th floor of a loony bin crying "The Russians are coming!"

And btw,how does capitalim work in Haiti, Guadeloupe and Bangladesh,Nazi?

 

As usual when delusional people slam capitalism they spout mindless platitudes instead of anything realistic and accurate.

Asking why capitalism is good when there has been crashes is idiotic. Good does not mean perfect. There is no such thing as perfection unless it is the perfection of misery and poverty which is consistently the result of alternatives to capitalism.

Working for another is NOT dictatorship. No matter how many times people lament having to work for another the fact is it is an agreement and choice made between people and is therefore not dictatorial. Those lamenting such relationships are merely spoiled brats who wish to live without working.

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Haiti, Guadeloupe and Bangladesh are not capitalist systems silly nor are there any nazis here.

 

You misquote and lie about what constitutes socialism.

It is in reality from each according to his ability and to each according to his NEED. Which is another albeit fancy way of saying slavery.

Soviet communism did not work at all ( nor has any other form of communism ) it claimed a utopia but instead provided destitution genocide and total destruction of anything good in humanity.

What soviet ( or any ) form of communist equality means is that everyone must be made equally destitute and poor or be killed. This is precisely what they achieved.

 

Wrong.

Capitalism requires no one to work for free it is in fact what you are lying about communism being. You agree to work in exchange for pay. Nothing could be more honorable or fair.

Under any collectivist system, especially communism a third party ( the state ) decides what others should be paid and dictates it to all. The result is slavery to the state.

Exploitation exists in any and all economic systems and it is only a bad thing when forced or dictated. When one applies for a job in a free society one is agreeing to be exploited in exchange for a livelihood.

That is the real difference: under capitalism you control how you will be exploited and for what, under collectivist systems others decide for you much like slavery.

Communism demands and dictates that you belong to others and must work for them and no one else.

 

The OP is hilarious. "Money is violence".

I'll tell you what violence is ... it's Venezuela where the people are rioting over basic necessities like bread, all due to the failure of big government.

Government always screws up. Always.

 

Everything you said is completely totally wrong. !. what part of your labor are you giving for free? How are you not exploiting your own talents however meager they may be?
2. these so called exploiters have done more to make peoples lives better and easier than all the bureaucrats that ever lived and have benefited society immensely.Communism is have to work with people you don't like without the opportunity to even (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about without fear of being shot. And of course true communism has never existed anywhere because people don't work that way.

 

The real slavery and the only work you are doing for free is for the government. Government takes your money and gives it to people that they believe are more worthy.

Capitalism is basically an advanced form of the barter system.

 

Morons if not nazis,it's clear from assertions like this:

or from this permanent mantras:

Yes,at all!.No comment.

It is not a lie, it is a campaign against illiteracy.Btw, how old are you ? 12,13 or even 14? Am I right? However,take a lesson.

Remember and mark it well: "By equality Marxism means, not equalisation of personal requirements and everyday life, but the abolition of classes, i.e., ... c) the equal duty of all to work according to their ability, and the equal right of all working people to receive in return for this according to the work performed (socialist society); d) the equal duty of all to work according to their ability, and the equal right of all working people to receive in return for this according to their needs (communist society)."- Stalin. But even under socialism some basic values like dwelling, medical assistance, education are delivering according needs,this is a utopia under capitalism but a reality under socialism.

Find information what surplus value, surplus product are and who apropriates them under capitalism,educate yourself.

May I know where have you digged out this bullsh*t ? From Marx?Engels?Lenin? Source,please.

And now switch on the brain and think who are those "others" you have to work under socialism if there is no class of owners.

except socialism.As there is no class of owners there is no one who apropriates the surplus product, it comes to common pot and then returns to workers as different social benefits.Exploatation here is impossible.

 

"Slavery, violence, capitalism" and three dozen exclamation points garner 25 replies in a day. Good marketing. A true capitalist in the making.