Christian Mingle Ordered To Accept Gay Singles .....

Since the parent company of Mingle- also offers Jewish, black, 'senior', and LDS dating services......this commercial service is hardly an issue about 'faith'. This is a business that focuses on niche dating markets- both of different religions- and non-religious.

Hardly a surprising outcome.

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The law in question is a state law.

Power to the state's and all of that.

If you don't approve of the law, well like any state law you can try to change it.

 

if your not gay, you will not search for gays, thus not be effected, you will search for people you want to associate.. right?

so why is it wrong to have a search that does exactly what you ask for?

if they want to discriminate, they need to do it legally by making it an exclusive club or a religious non-profit

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Bigotry is being intolerant of those who have a different view. Prejudice is an incorrect opinion based on false perceptions of someone. Discrimination is recognizing differences between people.

Christianity is all about recognizing there is a right way, and a wrong way. People are different, those who follow the right way go to Heaven, those who follow the wrong way go to hell. Christians are expected to be intolerant of sin and those who promote sin.

You practice the same in your life, everyone does. You accept it when you discriminate and practice bigotry, you accept it when people who think like you practice it, you just oppose it when you deal with something you personally don't like.

 

You did not answer any of my questions, you just backed up to the old "is the law" excuse. Why is it the law? Why is it so important to force people to associate with all other people? Why is it so important to force all people into one giant community?

 

Laws are subject to interpretation, and they change with the will of the majority. You should be very afraid of the law - it may not always look like your little friend.

 

Why must someone provide a service to all people? Does a sports bar have to have a tv on for every possible sport or they will be "discriminating"?

If someone does not include all people, is that really discrimination?

Why can't like minded people have a place for themselves?

Why is it so important for 2 groups of people who don't want to associate with each other be forced to associate with each other?

 

Wow- you are right- I didn't answer any of your questions.

We have had public accommodation laws in the United States since 1965 I believe. This case in particular is in regards to California's public accommodation law.

States have the authority to enact laws regulating business's within the state- I approve of such laws.

 

no, but if they offer a service to men, then have to offer to women

if they offer a service to Christians, they also have to offer it to Jews

if they offer a service to whites, they have to offer the same service to blacks.... ect.....

UNLESS they choose to be a exclusive club by membership only, they they can discriminate till the cows come home

 

How is it discrimination if St8 people have a Dating website for meeting and dating if it does not include LGBT ?

LGBT have Dating websites that do not include St8 people and it is not because they discriminate against St8 people, any more than a Bar that is mostly patronized by Homosexuals, sometimes narrowed down to a Lesbian bar or a Gay bar....

 

same way if a gas station doesn't service black people, but one down the street does... it's still discrimination....

seems simple enough to make the site an exclusive club.... I mean people have to sign up anyways... so really easy, then they can discriminate all they want

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Oh horse poop, a fueling station is a generic service not limited to anyone in particular, now if a station serves only gas, not diesel, you can't say it is discrimination because they do not sell you diesel fuel.

 

good argument, can't argue with that, and one they shoudl use on appeals, could work

though still seems easier to just make it an exclusive club so people know they discriminate

they advertised it as being for Christians, they never said it was only for heterosexual Christians, an exclusive club would make that clear

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I care because I care about what kind of country we will be going forward. I care about the rule of law, equal protection under the law, and equal rights. What do you care about? I care because that are people like you who would turn this country into a theocracy if you could. I asked before an am asking again: How are LGBTs forcing themselves on everyone? How is anyone being forced to associate with them? You don't have an answer, do you? Your perception and judgement is clouded by you religious obsession. You are being absolutely ridiculous!

 

So you're a Libertarian,?.... which, to me is anarchy light.

 

I agree, the LGBT community simply wants to have the same protection of law and equal Civil Rights, no one is forced to associate with them or even like them.

When I was 9, and called Gay or fg etc and getting beaten often bloody and bruised, I would gladly have settled for people just keeping their hands off me....

 

I am hard to peg. I am not a libertarian. A big government is probably inevitable in a nation as wealthy as this, but it would still be very big at half the size.

I like the idea of the people being able to choose whether a government entity is retained or eliminated and the money given to the people. IOW, I am all alone.

 

Again you did not answer. Why do we need laws to require everyone to associate with everyone else? Why is it so important to force people to associate with people they do not want to associate with? Why is it so important force 2 groups that otherwise would not associate to associate?

Is society better for mandatory association?

How far are you going to take it - does a full contact weekend mens football club have to accept women on the team? Does the Wednesday evening mens Bible study and dinner have to accept women? Does the 82nd Airborne reunion have to include civilians?

Why do you oppose allowing people a space to associate with like minded people? I'm sure you associate with people you like and avoid and exclude people you don't like. Why cant you allow everyone that same courtesy?

 

Why? Is there a social benefit to mandatory association?

 

First, I did not make a religious argument at all.

My questions are related to mandatory association - why is it important to force people to associate against their will? Why is it important for people to demand to be included in a group they would normally not voluntarily associate with? Particularly when there is no harm in the situation as it stands - in fact the harm is in forcing association.

Are you going to demand to be included in the women's weekend knitting group, even though you are not a woman, don't knit, and don't really want to join?

Whats ridiculous is people demanding to be included where they don't want to go and are not wanted. And that's why its obvious this is just another case of LGBTs hating for the sake of hatred.

The rule of law is dead, claiming equality under the law is a farce.

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Answer my questions, then I'll answer yours.

 

why not discriminate properly if you want to discriminate, open a exclusive club to members only, simple

don't say open to all that want to meet Christians, then when people come say, well, only heterosexual Christians....

 

No, you did not make a religious argument here, but I have seen your other posts on religion and I can see where your bias is. You are hung up on religion big time and it's apparent that it colors your view of reality.

You are also hung up on this association thing. Straight people on Christian Mingle are not being forced to associate with gays. To claim that they are is just ridiculous. It's not as though gays were demanding to be included in a church basement dance.

There most certainly is harm in excluding gays from this on line service. Regardless of whether or not there is somewhere else for them to go, to exclude them is discrimination. If that is allowed, who else can be discriminated against because a group doesn't like, or doesn't approve of something about them? Maybe you will be next. LGBT people do not hate anyone. They, and I hate the hate that exudes from you and your ilk.

If you can't understand this, there is no hope for you. You might want to consider the possibility that your God does not want you to be such a jerk and mistreated and demean your fellow mankind. You may be in for a rude awakening on judgement day.

 

The fact that you cannot separate this argument from other different argument shows you are not only biased but bigoted. You have become what you once hated.

How are LGBTs being harmed if they cannot be served on a web site? They are not being harmed in any way, but in their completely self-centered world they perceive it as "discrimination" and "homophobia" because someone does not have a wide open door to the LGBTs.

By your argument that simply being excluded is discrimination and something to be eliminated, nothing is off limits. Churches must accept everyone, sports teams must accept everyone, no club or business can be selective in any way. Bathrooms must be open to all people of all ages - and we see how stupid that move was. The entire concept is ludicrous.

Exactly. If the government has the power to force people to accommodate others, then nobody is safe. Today, the political winds are blowing in your favor, the targets are Christians, conservatives, traditionalists, gun owners, you like the heavy hand of government imposing rules you like.

But you are not safe. Those political winds will shift and you will come into the govt crosshairs, and you will wish you had been much more tolerant and not been so supportive of these methods.

By the politics shifting, I don't mean the govt will reverse and impose my beliefs on you, historically that's almost never how it works. What almost always happens is the scope of the govt expands to target more and more groups - you will get sucked into that targeting.

And also consider that historically, its the LGBTs that are always the victim of a tyrannical govt. Cuba, USSR, China, North Korea, Germany in the 1920's-the end of WW2, Vietnam & Cambodia in the 1970's, almost all of the Middle East for 100's of years, every Muslim country, hate and work to eliminate LGBTs.

You think you are safe, but history shows the govt is not your friend.

 

You are more than a little overwrought, dude!! I'll take my chances with the government over the tyranny of religion and bigotry.

 

I am fine with allowing people a space to associate with like minded people.

I am also fine with business's being required to follow business laws- which include not denying service to customers because of their race or religion. IF this website was a non-profit religious organization I would be fine with them discriminating.

But this website is just one of many niche for-profit websites run by the same company- and it should follow business law.

 

Churches are not business's.
Business's are not churches.

Churches by definition discriminate
Business's are required to follow business law, and can't refuse to sell to someone because he is black or because she is Christian and in some states- because he is gay.