Call the President and declare a war, and let's get on with it.

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by CyberCynic, Jul 16, 2013.

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Are we at war yet that requires a new constitution?

  1. no

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  2. I do not know

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  3. We may be heading there

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  4. yes

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    6.3%
  1. CyberCynic

    CyberCynic New Member

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    So, how about the Civil War; how was that worked out? Civil war is what I am projecting in opening this discussion.
     
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    Yes, I made a mistake in a previous post that incorrectly grouped the Mexicans with the blacks, as being organizationally deficient; you are right, I have been impressed with their determination. The problem remains as to why they cannot generate the sufficient economy in their homeland; and i am pretty sure it has to do with the inadequacy of charter system being designed based on the USA Constitution, which is unique to our history of "corruption" imposed to generate advanced technology.
     
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    Supposedly. Of course, Congress hasn't declared "war" since WWII... and yet, our Presidents have gone to war many times since.

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    Him, and Bush, Clinton, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., Wilson....
     
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    Voluntary communism would be non violent, as long as they don't force others to join them. I'm not sure how many libertarians believe in Heaven by the way.
     
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    I didn't make the error. Again, of the proposals to succeed from the union, how many were that of Conservatives BECAUSE Obama was reelected?

    Yes, the Southern Arizona succession movement in 2011 was initiated by left leaning individuals. However, the movement has been around since 1987 and that has to do more with local politics than national. All the conservative succession movements initiated at the various states or sent to the WH were primarily based because Obama was reelected.
     
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    There are serious issues dealing with SYG laws.

    SYG was generally not necessary for what the law was originally intended, to protect yourself when you are on your property and the perpetrator was threatening you. The classic example would be a home invason or you coming into your home and the perpetrator was armed and stealing your valuables. All states had self defense claims where duty to retreat was not generally required under the law if it was in your home. What SYG laws did was expand self defense for your home to almost all property you own. There is logic to that circumstance, but what Florida did was make it very easy, and subjective, to use SYG defense. It is that subjectivity where SYG law is being criticized and it is not based on the number of blacks being acquitted under the law as the principle argument. If you know anything about mathematics and statistics, when you have a higher percentage of one category, then it also stands to logic that one factor will be more than any other, when compared to all factors. But this is a logical fallacy because you are not making the right comparisons when analyzing SYG laws.

    Lets get a few things straight here. Voluntary neighborhood watch persons are not security guards hired by an etity to perform basic police duties and generally do not fall under the law as security in most states. Florida is one of them. TM went to the convience store, bought himself an Arizona ice tea and some skittles and went back to his temporary home where his father stayed. GZ noticed TM and believed that TM was some sort of thug even though he has never met or known TM before that night. GZ basically profiled TM based on what TM wore and that was all. Keep in mind, GZ stated that TM was acting suspiciously becuase TM was trying to have cover from the rain. GZ said in his police statement he thought it was odd because TM did not have an umbrella because it was raining (Huge leap from logic on GZ's part). TM noticed GZ and asked why he was following him. GZ did not reply. (Now if you would note, if GZ was a security officer, he had the chance at that time to state what was TM doing and why was he here, but he didn't. At least, that is what any reasonable security officer would do, right?) But GZ also said in his police statement that he was afraid of TM, yet GZ got out of his car and went 70 feet to where TM was. I don't think this was inteintional, but the coincidence cannot be excused either. That is when GZ confronted TM even though GZ stated earlier that He, GZ, was afraid of TM. Then a fight ensued and TM got shot while GZ had minor injuries.

    TM's past is not something that made TM a saint. No one has been claiming that, But what TM did that fateful night was not against the law. TM basically got killed because he was wearing a hoodie, had a bag with Arizona ice tea and skittles. GZ made so many errors that night that it will take a book to explain it all..
     
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    1. Most of the black people are poor in S.A. is because of their economic system, which is still based predominantly on the European economic model, not based on race. But they are improving though.
    2. As Justice Scalia said, "The Constitution is mean to impede change, not go with it." The founding fathers did not want mob mentality to rule and are thankful we never went the French route. Second, the Constitution is flexible enough to adopt to change when society as a whole changes.
     
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    Not for very long, hence the objective and market based metrics of wartime tax rates during real times of war.
     
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    We discovered some interesting things, States can't secede on their own and Individuals who were specifically unconnected with well regulated militia service of the United States, don't have a Second Amendment right to keep and bear Arms.
     
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    It is why I am advocating for "equal application" of the law regarding a Standard already fixed by our federal Congress for an office of public trust under the United States via Article 4, Section 2, concerning the War Powers Act and any war powers delegated without wartime tax rates being involved to prove the exigency exists in our objective and market based political-economy.

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    We don't need a new constitution, we just need to follow the one we've got. Unfortunately, the power of the states was emasculated due to the war of Northern agression. Suck on that one you Yankees!
     
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    I believe we should repeal the 17th Amendment.
     
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    You already have a constitution which describes the importance of states rights. All powers not delegated to the Federal government are reserved to the states. The list of enumerated powers is short and specific.

    The problem isn't that the constitution is against states rights, it's that nobody cares about what the constitution says. It's that the judiciary interpreted its right of constitutional interpretation into existence. It's that Lincoln went to war to enact the reconstruction amendments. It's that the state always grabs more power wherever possible.

    The constitution is only effective to the extent that those in power see value in it. That passed long ago. Rather than seeking a new constitution you should aim on getting rid of the state altogether.

    56 delegates tried to create a limited, constitutional government - under the most favorable possible circumstances for liberty. Their experiment failed. Let's not make the same mistake again :)
     
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    Because blacks do not control as much of the wealth of this country as do the 20% at the top.

    Few former colonies have the required pool of educated native peoples. This is especially true in South Africa where the law deliberately limited their ability to gain the education and experience to take the place of the Boers.

    First, they need to take back control of what the Boers stole from their people. Then they need to educate a professional class. Wasn't going to happen at all under the Boers.

    No, they do not have the resources. White working class people do not have the resources. Only the investor class has the resources to reshape society as they want it and serfdom for the working class is more in their interest than a system in which wealth is redistributed naturally.
     
  16. CyberCynic

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    I think we should recognize that the war is on; and that General Lynch is complicit with the opposition.
     
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    Real times of war must require real times of war tax rates, or it is just supply side economics helping the wealthiest get wealthier, and then, letting it trickle down.
     

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