<MOD WARNING>Auschwitz guard jailed for five years in Holocaust murder trial

I enjoy your posts and the above is well documented, but for the title lol.

We actually learned that the first holocaust was all the way back around 2 AD. If Jewish historians are a fair source, that is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betar_(fortress)

Betar was the last standing Jewish fortress in the Bar Kochba revolt of the 2nd century AD, destroyed by the Roman army on Tisha B'av.

The site of historic Betar (also spelled Beitar or Bethar), next to the modern Palestinian village of Battir southwest of Jerusalem, was known as Khirbet al-Yahudi, Arabic for "the Jew's ruins".

The destruction of Betar put an end to the last great revolt against Rome, and effectively quashed any Jewish dreams of freedom. Accounts of the event in Talmudic and Midrashic writings thus reflect and amplify its importance in the Jewish psyche and oral tradition in the subsequent period. The best known is from the Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 57a-b:


Gittin 58a of the Babylonian Talmud:

"There were four hundred synagogues in the city of Bethar, and in every one were four hundred teachers of children, and each one had under him four hundred pupils, and when the enemy entered there they pierced them with their staves, and when the enemy prevailed and captured them, they wrapped them in their scrolls and burnt them with fire."


400 synagogues x 400 teachers/synagogue x 400 pupils/teacher = 64,000,000 children

So, the first holocaust actually involved burning to death 64 million Jewish children!

 

the Bethar quote is not historical, has no historical back up or verification from any other sources.

the Talmud, is not a history book.

so your attempt is DOA

 

I find this kind of stuff annoying. This is what, seventy years later? And you're sentencing someone to jail for being a guard, doing exactly what they were ordered to do? This is a separate, harsher standard of justice than was applied in the immediate aftermath of the war. By this standard, we probably should have sentenced every male German to prison for 5+ years, and most females too.

 

its not a link to the ACTUAL Life magazine article.

if I can post one, so can he

 

Holland has asked for Hanning's extradition longtime ago, he's a traitor to his native country and his people. I wonder on what basis do you claim that doing what he was ordered to do would somehow absolve him, seeing how he volunteered for the SS to do exactly what his superiors wanted to order him to do.

Harsher standard of justice is what is needed now in Europe, following the rise of the far-right political parties and movements.

 

This post gets at one of the very kernels of formation of the Holocaust® mythology and Holocaustianity® religion.

Above we have seen quotes from The New York Times of what are now obvious examples of atrocity propaganda
with the repeated usage of the number 6,000,000 and other obvious highly exaggerated fabrications. BUT, these
were printed as reportage in the New York Times. In that time and context these items were written to be believed
in order to elicit a belief and/or a financial contribution.

What follows is a quote from Elie Wiesel, a man who is considered by many to be an expert on the Holocaust®.

The following quote is from Wiesel's work "Legends of Our Time". Wiesel describes a meeting with an old friend named
Rebbe, a Hasidic rabbi that he had not seen in a long time. They discuss Wiesel's writing vocation --

"What are you writing?" the Rebbe asked. "Stories," I said. He wanted to know what kind of stories: true stories.
"About people you knew?" "Yes, about people I might have known". "About things that happened?" "Yes, about
things that happened or could have happened". "But they did not?" "No, not all of them did. In fact, some were
invented from almost the beginning to almost the end." The Rebbe leaned forward as if to measure me up and said
with more sorrow than anger: "That means you are writing lies!" I did not answer immediately. The scolded child
within me had nothing to say in his defense. Yet, I had to justify myself: "Things are not that simple, Rebbe.
Some events do take place but are not true; others are -- although they never occurred".


So we see Wiesel fessing up to fabrication within his writing. Wiesel, in his conversation with Rebbe gives a
superb definition of the formation of mythologies.


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i never said that "the Jews lied"

that's what YOU have been saying in this and all other Holocaust threads. You even post memes accusing the Jews of lying.

 

You stated "every train in Israel is German". I called you on this lie in this thread nothing more, nothing less. Saying you did not state this and pretending otherwise by adding more off topic hubris does not make this lie go away.

 

The German Wehrmacht psychiatrician Walter Ritter von Baeyer in 1942 published a scientific paper on psychic disturbances of typhus patients (in German: Fleckfieber / Spotted Fever). Because typhus today is eradicated, nobody having seen a case since decades, it is worth considering and then re evaluating "survivor memories" (the world reservoir for typhus was Poland. German concentration camps in the East had an infection rate of 100%, many camps having been closed for quarantine from time to time). Von Baeyer, who after the war became Chief of the Psychiatric University Clinic in Heidelberg, founded the Society against Misuse of Psychiatry in Communist States and after whom the World Association for Ethics in Psychiatry is named, wrote in 1942 that a few days after the remission of clinical symptoms most patients develop temporary signs of horror trip like psychosis, "see" themselves buried alive, eaten by snakes, forced to operate senseless machines or having available some "magic plasticine" enabling them to fly. All cases he presented were Wehrmacht soldiers having acquired typhus during the campaign in the East.
Those episodes of delir, hallucinations and wild "confabulations" have some unique features, which apparently are unlike other comparable psychical syndromes:

1. Patients are highly vulnerable to external suggestions. He tells one patient to know him from the past, where both met at a dancing club in Austria. Instead of his original rank of Major he tells the patient to be General. The patient then spins a fantastic story around both (mis) informations.
2. Unlike all other psychosis or schizophrenic misjudgements, those hallucinations from typhus are stored in the memory of reality and later cannot be "processed", but patients, becoming more and more aware of the bizarre logic of their "memories", first try to forget them, being reminded become increasingly angry and/or stop communication, but always insist that everything exactly has happened the way it is stored in their memory.

For survivors of German concentration camps that means, their memories to some certain amount are "polluted" by hallucinations, they confuse with reality. To which extent, nobody knows, because not one single historian on this planet's surface ever has cared for it. It also means, that those survivors are not "liars", even when parts of their memories have nothing to do with reality. That many of those bizarre memories are the same stories is the consequence of suggestions, meaning, patients hallucinate what they are told to hallucinate. It also says, even without "denying" anything, any judgement of the content of reality in those memories cannot be made until historians do their job and separate facts from fiction. Not with memories, with physical proofs.

The court verdict above therefore at least to some part is based on LSD like horror trips. Nothing more has to be said about it.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02868119

 

Didn't you claim to be a Jew?

and yet you attack Jews this way?

fascinating.


...and btw, I never claimed "our RABBIS" lied.

 

I don't see them doing that any more than any other peoples.

 

Great proof that Israel is unequivocly Jewish land. A bit off topic as this thread is about a German, in a German court, being prosecuted by the German people for crimes commited while Germany was at war so possibly you might post this proof of Israel origionally being the home of the Jews on a more applicable thread.

 

This aspect adds a whole new dimension to history. The Lady with the pooped-out diamonds comes to mind, or the SS throwing babies into the air and shoot them.
My, oh my, why do we only now hear about it? Mr. Hanning should immediately be set free. Everybody sitting in jail in Germany for holocaust denial should be released.

Thanks, Murxxs, for your valuable contribution!

 

Alas you will continue reading about old Nazis thrown to jail, new restrictions on freedom of hate in Europe and America and terrorists being blown away all around the globe - because that's order in the real world and the chaos you like so much can exist only in your head. thx for playing.

 

The article you linked to is not available for free, but other researches contradict your assertions. Enjoy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1589441/pdf/brmedj01558-0018.pdf
http://archneur.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=571471 (click on PDF on the right to open)

 

If I found out that any of my relatives were Nazis, I would be so ashamed. But I am not German...

 

Reason he's in jail is that he broke the law in Germany and comitted a criminal act. What comes to mind is that denialist IHR that had to pay out the reward and appoligize to Mermelstein when it received proof that gas chambers were used to kill Jews or the court upholding Lipstads fact based book when challenged by hater David Irving and right to show denialists for what they are - wrong and hateful.

Hanning is where he belongs.

 

TYPHUS DRIVEN HOLOCAUSTIAN HALLUCINATIONS & HOLOCAUST® "GOLD FEVER"

Yes, like Holocaustians, there are also "researchers" who have "concluded" equally bizarre notions such as that the earth is Flat:

&#8220;Welcome to the Flat Earth Society.&#8221; (*)
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/


However, I think that most rational individuals would concur that "The Mayo Clinic" is a credible source. There is a cornucopia of equally credible sources that support the fact that typhoid fever, which was rampant in Internment Camps throughout Europe, is accompanied by "Psychiatric problems, such as delirium, hallucinations and paranoid psychosis&#8221; (see below)


&#8220;Typhoid fever&#8221;
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/typhoid-fever/basics/complications/con-20028553

EXCERPT &#8220;Jul 11, 2015 ... Typhoid fever &#8212; Comprehensive overview covers symptoms, ... Psychiatric problems, such as delirium, hallucinations and paranoid psychosis.
Complications
Psychiatric problems, such as delirium, hallucinations and paranoid psychosis&#8221;CONTINUED&#8232;


I think that the following "Holocaust®" tales are just a few of the many that can be safely dismissed as either irrational medical hallucinations or assertions made in a crass quest for fame, pity and / or fortune:

EXCERPTS:
&#8226; Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

&#8226; William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

&#8226; Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

&#8226; Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

&#8226; Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

&#8226; Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood"
CONTINUED [1]


As someone who was trained & who worked in the field of Psychiatry at a large, inner-city Emergency Psychiatric Hospital, I helped treat patients who had been exposed to the elements (homeless patients etc) and suffered with typhus. I remember, well, the hallucinogenic delusions as related by patients especially in the more advanced states of the disease with temperatures either approaching or slightly exceeding 104 degrees

It is only natural to treat individuals with such a debilitating disease first with compassion while they recount experiences with talking snakes, green eyed persecutors etc but never regard their hallucinations as suitable testimony for post-treatment legal litigation.

However, to the enormous misery & tremendous expense of millions, many former Work Camp Inmates have employed their hallucinations with great success to easily duped audiences & individuals eager to exploit medical hallucinations for easy riches & vicious, unfounded slander as the Holocaust® Industry has done with unparalleled, Multi-billion dollar success.

In an ethical, just & rational World, Holocaust® Hallucinations would be regarded for what they are; bizarre medical manifestations of a disturbed mind. Most ofhose who have suffered miserable slander & with obscene expense via Holocaust® extortion

Regrettably, exploitative greed & opportunistic demonization are as prolific & intractable as any disease & have served as the Stock-in-Trade of The Holocaust® Industry & Cult members of a recent, de facto State Religion: Holocaustianity.

While there have been countless Religions over time whose foundations have been based on hallucinogenic visions, there have been none in modern times employed with such transparent greed & malevolence as the wealthy C.E.O.s, disciples & fanatic adherents of today's Cult of defamatory & avaricious Holocaustianity.

It's long past time that all ethical & rational individuals direct their vigorous prosecutorial attention to the REAL "Holocaust®" plaguing historic Palestine's victims of REAL Genocide of TODAY:


- &#8220;Israeli Incremental Genocide&#8221;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-incremental-genocide/5402991


- &#8220;SENTENCING ISRAEL OF GENOCIDE&#8221;
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2014/01/18/sentencing-israel-genocide/



- &#8220;Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds&#8221;
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html



- &#8220;UN rights expert accuses Israel of &#8216;ethnic cleansing&#8217; in treatment of Palestinians &#8220;http://www.bellinghamherald.com/201...ghts-expert-accuses-israel.html#storylink=cpy






[1] &#8220;Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust&#8221;
http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fa...ap-Lampshades-Fertilizer-Mengele-Miracles.php

 

this comment is nothing more than hate speech

 

I'll bet he's a hit when he gets his yarmulke on at bar mitzvas and calls his Yiddish pals a bunch of liars.

 

But it's perfectly fine to deny or discount the well documented and historically recorded legally ruled deliberate murder of twelve million people and in the process infer that they, their survivors, all the witnesses, perpetrators who confessed are liars so, if you are so inclined, fear not, your posts doing this are more than welcome here.

 

one can deny all the facts they like. Insulting such members and attacking them, is not the appropriate response, on this forum. Save such tactics for Facebook.

 

I would disown any family members who were members of the Nazi party.

if I knew they killed or harmed any civilians or worked at the concentration camps? I'd turn them into the police.