Obama to speak at memorial for Dallas Police Officers

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  1. AlphaOmega

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    Are you trying to incite violence on this forum? Tell us what you mean by "go remove him then"
     
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    Obamas speech prior to the shootings was just as deadly as any "assault weapon". This was the equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theatre.
     
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    i dun wanna look like that guy who bum rushed trump. im not photogeneic :)
     
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    he caused the tensions to be where they are now with his constant race baiting. You dont invite the maker of the gun to the funeral of the victim.
     
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    I watched the memorial service, Obama knocked it out of the park and no one seemed upset, golly gee...

    "Maker of the gun" - what is this, code or something?
     
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    You mean gun grab speech during a memorial is hitting it out of the park to you? I find it disgusting. He should have apologized for inciting violence that got 5 people killed then turned himself into authorities.
     
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    Can you or anyone actually provide any quote from his speech to justify that accusation.
     
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    The entire speech was difficult for you to comprehend?
     
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    No but you obviously didn't. You probably didn't even bother to read it. Or if you did and you really think it was an incitement to kill cops then your reading comprehension is filtered through yoyr own hatred of Obama.
     
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    I watched it live. Secondly perhaps you could tell us why democrats were bringing up Mike brown during a comey hearing if not to incite violence in the wake of the two shootings of armed black men refusing to follow police direct orders. Uhhhhjhgain.
     
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    Here is the full text. Fell free to tell us where Obama inspired the shooter


    OBAMA:
    I want to begin by expressing my condolences for the families of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile. As I said in the statement that I posted on Facebook, we have seen tragedies like this too many times.
    The Justice Department, I know, has opened a civil rights investigation in Baton Rouge. The governor of Minnesota, I understand, is calling for an investigation there as well.
    As is my practice, given my institutional role, I can’t comment on the specific facts of each case. And I have confidence (AUDIO GAP).
    But what I can say is that all of us as Americans should be troubled by the news. These are not isolated incidents. They are symptomatic of a broader set of racial disparities that exist in our criminal justice system.
    And I just want to give people a few statistics to try to put in context why emotions are so raw around these issues. According to various studies, not just one, but a wide range of studies that have been carried out over a number of years, African-Americans are 30 percent more likely than whites to be pulled over.
    After being pulled over, African-Americans and Hispanics are three times more likely to be searched. Last year, African-Americans were shot by police at more than twice the rate of whites.
    African-Americans are arrested at twice the rate of whites. African-American defendants are 75 percent more likely to be charged with offenses carrying mandatory minimums. They receive sentences that are almost 10 percent longer than comparable whites arrested for the same crime.
    So if you add it all up, the African-American and Hispanic population who make up only 30 percent of the general population make up more than half of the incarcerated population. Now, these are facts.
    And when incidents like this occur, there’s a big chunk of our fellow citizenry that feels as if because of the color of their skin, they are not being treated the same. And that hurts. And that should trouble all of us.
    This is not just a black issue. It’s not just an Hispanic issue. This is an American issue that we should all care about, all fair- minded people should be concerned.
    Now let me just say we have extraordinary appreciation and respect for the vast majority of police officers who put their lives on the line to protect us every single day. They have got a dangerous job. It is a tough job.
    And as I’ve said before, they have a right to go home to their families just like anybody else on the job. And there are going to be circumstances in which they have to make split-second decisions. We understand that.
    But when we see data that indicates disparities in how African- Americans and Latinos may be treated in various jurisdictions around the country, and it’s incumbent on all of us to say, we can do better than this, we are better than this, and to not have it degenerate into the usual political scrum.
    We should be able to step back, reflect, and ask ourselves, what can we do better so that everybody feels as if they’re equal under the law?
    Now, the good news is, is that there are practices we can institute that will make a difference. Last year, we put together a task force that was comprised of civil rights activists and community leaders, but law enforcement officials, police captains, sheriffs.
    And they sat around a table and they looked at the data, and they looked at best practices, and they came up with specific recommendations and steps that could ensure that the trust between communities and police departments were rebuilt and incidents like this would be less likely to occur.
    And there are some jurisdictions out there that have adopted these recommendations. But there are a whole bunch that have not.
    And if anything good comes out of these tragedies, my hope is, is that communities around the country take a look and say, how can we implement these recommendations?
    And that the overwhelming majority of police officers who are doing a great job every single day and are doing their job without regard to race, that they encourage their leadership and organizations that represent them to get behind these recommendations.
    Because ultimately if you can rebuild trust between communities and the police departments that serve them, that helps us solve crime problems. That will make life easier for police officers.
    They will have more cooperation. They will be safer. They will be more likely to come home. So it will be good for crime-fighting and it will avert tragedy.
    And I’m encouraged by the fact that the majority of leadership in police departments around the country recognize this, but change has been too slow. And we have to have a greater sense of urgency about this.
    I’m also encouraged, by the way, that we have bipartisan support for criminal justice reform working its way through Congress. It has stalled and lost some momentum over the last couple of months in part because Congress is having difficulty generally moving legislation forward and we’re in a political season.
    But there are people of good will on the Republican side and the Democratic side who I’ve seen want to try to get something done here. That too would help provide greater assurance across the country that those in power, those in authority, are taking these issues seriously.
    So this should be a spur to action to get that done, to get that across the finish line, because I know there are a lot of people who want to get it done.
    Now let me just make a couple of final comments. I mentioned in my Facebook statement that I hope we don’t fall into the typical patterns that occur after these kinds of incidents occur, where right away there’s a lot of political rhetoric and it starts dividing people instead of bringing folks together.
    To be concerned about these issues is not to be against law enforcement. There are times when these incidents occur and you see protests and you see vigils, and I get letters, well-meaning letters sometimes, from law enforcement saying, how come we’re under attack?
    How come not as much emphasis is made when police officers are shot? And so to all of law enforcement, I want to be very clear. We know you have a tough job. We mourn those in uniform who are protecting us who lose their lives.
    On a regular basis, I have joined with families in front of Capitol Hill to commemorate the incredible heroism that they have displayed. I have hugged family members who have lost loved ones doing the right thing. I know how much it hurts.
    On a regular basis, we bring in those who have done heroic work in law enforcement and have survived. Sometimes they have been injured. Sometimes they risked their lives in remarkable ways, and we applaud them and appreciate them, because they are doing a really tough job really well.
    There is no contradiction between us supporting law enforcement, making sure they have got the equipment they need, making sure that their collective bargaining rights are recognized, making sure that they are adequately staffed, making sure that they are respected, making sure their families are supported, and also saying that there are problems across our criminal justice system.
    There are biases, some conscious and unconscious, that have to be rooted out. That’s not an attack on law enforcement. That is reflective of the values that the vast majority of law enforcement bring to the job.
    But I repeat, if communities are mistrustful of the police, that makes those law enforcement officers who are doing a great job and are doing the right thing, it makes their lives harder.
    So, you know, when people say black lives matter, that doesn’t mean blue lives don’t matter. It just means all lives matter but right now, the big concern is the fact that the data shows black folks are more vulnerable to these kinds of incidents.
    This isn’t a matter of us comparing the value of lives. This is recognizing that there’s a particular burden that is being placed on a group of our fellow citizens and we should care about that. And we can’t dismiss it.
    We can’t dismiss it.
    So let me just end by saying I actually genuinely, truly believe that the vast majority of American people see this as a problem that we should all care about. And I would just ask those who question the sincerity or the legitimacy of protests and vigils and expressions of outrage, who somehow label those expressions of outrage as quote- unquote, “political correctness,” I just ask folks to step back and think, what if this happened to somebody in your family?
    How would you feel? To be concerned about these issues is not political correctness. It’s just being American and wanting to live up to our best and highest ideals.
    And it’s to recognize the reality that we’ve got some tough history and we haven’t gotten through all of that history yet. And we don’t expect that in my lifetime, maybe not in my children’s lifetime, that all the vestiges of that past will have been cured, will have been solved, but we can do better.
    People of good will can do better. And doing better involves not just addressing potential bias in the criminal justice system. It’s recognizing that too often we are asking police to man the barricades in communities that have been forgotten by all of us for way too long in terms of sub-standard schools and inadequate jobs and a lack of opportunity.
    We’ve got to tackle those things. We can do better. And I believe we will do better.
    Thanks very much, everybody.

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    Here is the full text. Fell free to tell us where Obama inspired the shooter


    OBAMA:
    I want to begin by expressing my condolences for the families of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile. As I said in the statement that I posted on Facebook, we have seen tragedies like this too many times.
    The Justice Department, I know, has opened a civil rights investigation in Baton Rouge. The governor of Minnesota, I understand, is calling for an investigation there as well.
    As is my practice, given my institutional role, I can’t comment on the specific facts of each case. And I have confidence (AUDIO GAP).
    But what I can say is that all of us as Americans should be troubled by the news. These are not isolated incidents. They are symptomatic of a broader set of racial disparities that exist in our criminal justice system.
    And I just want to give people a few statistics to try to put in context why emotions are so raw around these issues. According to various studies, not just one, but a wide range of studies that have been carried out over a number of years, African-Americans are 30 percent more likely than whites to be pulled over.
    After being pulled over, African-Americans and Hispanics are three times more likely to be searched. Last year, African-Americans were shot by police at more than twice the rate of whites.
    African-Americans are arrested at twice the rate of whites. African-American defendants are 75 percent more likely to be charged with offenses carrying mandatory minimums. They receive sentences that are almost 10 percent longer than comparable whites arrested for the same crime.
    So if you add it all up, the African-American and Hispanic population who make up only 30 percent of the general population make up more than half of the incarcerated population. Now, these are facts.
    And when incidents like this occur, there’s a big chunk of our fellow citizenry that feels as if because of the color of their skin, they are not being treated the same. And that hurts. And that should trouble all of us.
    This is not just a black issue. It’s not just an Hispanic issue. This is an American issue that we should all care about, all fair- minded people should be concerned.
    Now let me just say we have extraordinary appreciation and respect for the vast majority of police officers who put their lives on the line to protect us every single day. They have got a dangerous job. It is a tough job.
    And as I’ve said before, they have a right to go home to their families just like anybody else on the job. And there are going to be circumstances in which they have to make split-second decisions. We understand that.
    But when we see data that indicates disparities in how African- Americans and Latinos may be treated in various jurisdictions around the country, and it’s incumbent on all of us to say, we can do better than this, we are better than this, and to not have it degenerate into the usual political scrum.
    We should be able to step back, reflect, and ask ourselves, what can we do better so that everybody feels as if they’re equal under the law?
    Now, the good news is, is that there are practices we can institute that will make a difference. Last year, we put together a task force that was comprised of civil rights activists and community leaders, but law enforcement officials, police captains, sheriffs.
    And they sat around a table and they looked at the data, and they looked at best practices, and they came up with specific recommendations and steps that could ensure that the trust between communities and police departments were rebuilt and incidents like this would be less likely to occur.
    And there are some jurisdictions out there that have adopted these recommendations. But there are a whole bunch that have not.
    And if anything good comes out of these tragedies, my hope is, is that communities around the country take a look and say, how can we implement these recommendations?
    And that the overwhelming majority of police officers who are doing a great job every single day and are doing their job without regard to race, that they encourage their leadership and organizations that represent them to get behind these recommendations.
    Because ultimately if you can rebuild trust between communities and the police departments that serve them, that helps us solve crime problems. That will make life easier for police officers.
    They will have more cooperation. They will be safer. They will be more likely to come home. So it will be good for crime-fighting and it will avert tragedy.
    And I’m encouraged by the fact that the majority of leadership in police departments around the country recognize this, but change has been too slow. And we have to have a greater sense of urgency about this.
    I’m also encouraged, by the way, that we have bipartisan support for criminal justice reform working its way through Congress. It has stalled and lost some momentum over the last couple of months in part because Congress is having difficulty generally moving legislation forward and we’re in a political season.
    But there are people of good will on the Republican side and the Democratic side who I’ve seen want to try to get something done here. That too would help provide greater assurance across the country that those in power, those in authority, are taking these issues seriously.
    So this should be a spur to action to get that done, to get that across the finish line, because I know there are a lot of people who want to get it done.
    Now let me just make a couple of final comments. I mentioned in my Facebook statement that I hope we don’t fall into the typical patterns that occur after these kinds of incidents occur, where right away there’s a lot of political rhetoric and it starts dividing people instead of bringing folks together.
    To be concerned about these issues is not to be against law enforcement. There are times when these incidents occur and you see protests and you see vigils, and I get letters, well-meaning letters sometimes, from law enforcement saying, how come we’re under attack?
    How come not as much emphasis is made when police officers are shot? And so to all of law enforcement, I want to be very clear. We know you have a tough job. We mourn those in uniform who are protecting us who lose their lives.
    On a regular basis, I have joined with families in front of Capitol Hill to commemorate the incredible heroism that they have displayed. I have hugged family members who have lost loved ones doing the right thing. I know how much it hurts.
    On a regular basis, we bring in those who have done heroic work in law enforcement and have survived. Sometimes they have been injured. Sometimes they risked their lives in remarkable ways, and we applaud them and appreciate them, because they are doing a really tough job really well.
    There is no contradiction between us supporting law enforcement, making sure they have got the equipment they need, making sure that their collective bargaining rights are recognized, making sure that they are adequately staffed, making sure that they are respected, making sure their families are supported, and also saying that there are problems across our criminal justice system.
    There are biases, some conscious and unconscious, that have to be rooted out. That’s not an attack on law enforcement. That is reflective of the values that the vast majority of law enforcement bring to the job.
    But I repeat, if communities are mistrustful of the police, that makes those law enforcement officers who are doing a great job and are doing the right thing, it makes their lives harder.
    So, you know, when people say black lives matter, that doesn’t mean blue lives don’t matter. It just means all lives matter but right now, the big concern is the fact that the data shows black folks are more vulnerable to these kinds of incidents.
    This isn’t a matter of us comparing the value of lives. This is recognizing that there’s a particular burden that is being placed on a group of our fellow citizens and we should care about that. And we can’t dismiss it.
    We can’t dismiss it.
    So let me just end by saying I actually genuinely, truly believe that the vast majority of American people see this as a problem that we should all care about. And I would just ask those who question the sincerity or the legitimacy of protests and vigils and expressions of outrage, who somehow label those expressions of outrage as quote- unquote, “political correctness,” I just ask folks to step back and think, what if this happened to somebody in your family?
    How would you feel? To be concerned about these issues is not political correctness. It’s just being American and wanting to live up to our best and highest ideals.
    And it’s to recognize the reality that we’ve got some tough history and we haven’t gotten through all of that history yet. And we don’t expect that in my lifetime, maybe not in my children’s lifetime, that all the vestiges of that past will have been cured, will have been solved, but we can do better.
    People of good will can do better. And doing better involves not just addressing potential bias in the criminal justice system. It’s recognizing that too often we are asking police to man the barricades in communities that have been forgotten by all of us for way too long in terms of sub-standard schools and inadequate jobs and a lack of opportunity.
    We’ve got to tackle those things. We can do better. And I believe we will do better.
    Thanks very much, everybody.
     
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    What "gun grab"?? What speech were you watching? It wasn't the one I was watching, obviously.
    As for this comment - "He should have apologized for inciting violence that got 5 people killed then turned himself into authorities." - I honestly don't know what to say, other than it's an insane, demented, totally bizarre statement, perhaps driven only by hatred.
     
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    Lets see there is the very first sentence, the part about blacks being more likelybto be pulled over. Lets start with them piece by piece. Why was he giving a speech about the two guys that got shot before he knows the facts?
    How is it pro police when he speaks of them pulling blacks over at a higher %? Lets start with thise to see if you are about to waste my time.
     
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    here Ill force you to accept reality. Write out the quotes from the speech you watched today where Obama discussed guns. Lets see if you decline and fall flat on that face. Prediction: you will dodge.
     
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    Either deserves a similar response.
     
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    LOL, you're the one making the claim it was a 'gun grab' speech - it's up to you to make your case. I'm anticipating you'll 'dodge', LOL. It's very difficult to make stuff up when the speech transcript is available.
     
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    Told ya you would dodge. He made comments about guns during the memorial. He even said its easier for a kid to get a gun than a book. A disgraceful lie. Didnt want to accept reality eh? Thought so old man. Thought so.
     
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    He gave a speech at was supposed to be a memorial and he barely mentioned the five dead cops. I hate this man!
     
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    LOL, the quote from Obama's speech is - "We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book."

    This was it, the only time he mentioned anything about guns in the entire speech - one sentence. And you call this a 'gun grab' speech? Obviously we weren't watching the same speech or reading the same transcript. This will really suck in your world but this speech will be significant for some time to come, depending on how the country moves forward.
     
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    What a joke, first you say he didnt then I force you to accept realty and now it goes to he only said one thing. Yeah mcfly, it was a memorial speech. Lying about its easier for a teenager to buy a glock than a book is a factual lie. It is not. If you dont see that statement as a gun grab, we dont really need to talk further. Its a waste of my time as you have demonstrated you dont accept reality.
     
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    Note removed, just not worth it, LOL.
     
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    Amazing American presidents. Obama says stupid speech. Bush dances during the Dallas Memorial.

    [video=youtube;5g-YnBtN9fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g-YnBtN9fg[/video]

    But even more surprising is that Obama and Bush were elected twice. Americans why you vote for idiots?
     
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    What a grotesque lie and overall the statement of President Obama the the FUNERAL MEMORIALS SERVICE for 5 murdered people and police officers was as outrageous, demeaning and basically pissing on those 5 murdered police officers.

    Were they killed by a "teenage" who got a gun off the street? No, Obama's a GD liar. At a FUNERAL he proceeded to advocate for and give the claims of Black Lives Matter - the same people who called for the murdering of police, and to use A FUNERAL MEMORIAL SERVICE to make a partisan political speech, showing us against that Obama is a dirty and pathetically amoral and evil man.

    This was the undercurrent core message of Obama's speech:

    1. Black Lives Matter is telling the truth.
    2. Police and white people are evil and oppressing black people.
    3. Advocacy of racial segregation and racial hatred
    4. Vote Democrat

    He used the murder of 5 police officers (14 people's bodies shattered by bullets overall) to endorse the motives of the murderer and to try to cause more racial violence in his perverse, murderous get out the black vote goal.

    I question if ANY president has ever shown up at to steal the spotlight at a FUNERAL MEMORIAL SERVICE to make a political speech before. As scummy, hateful and obscene action towards those murdered officers, their families and friends and all police officers as he could possibly do. What a despicable person!
     
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    Why he wasn't wise to ask a widow for a dance? Really idiotic.
     
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    Turned out it was worse than that. He used the Memorial Service to give a political speech in which he advocated and endorsed the claims of Black Lives Matter, purpose political and legislative goals, and to throw more gasoline on the racial hatreds he has always promoted.
     

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