So I said it should be written, so it now is. Gun control is ON.

We both agree there are restriction to every amendment. We just disagree where should they be laid.

 

True... but then look what happened to Congress afterwards.

 

So why was the constitution written like it was sovereign citizen?

Why freedom of speech?

Why freedom of press?

Why freedom of unlawful search and seizures?

The 2nd amendment was a "mistake"?

We should take all the progressives and move them to finland.

 

Under what circumstance must you testify against yourself in a court of law? Or do you plead the 5th?

 

LOL, "...Respondents were first selected randomly using telephone or mail survey methods and later interviewed online. ..." And participants have to first be questioned and be selected, then they have to volunteer to take the actual poll. Hardly random and representative.

 

And the resulting congress has still been unable to undo the affordable care act.

 

The only way that will happen with a (D) in the White House is an override.

 

Please point to where it says the Bill of Rights can be regulated by the government.

 

Truth of the Dems strategy out of the words of a Clinton delegate...

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/se...te-explaining-democrat-approach-banning-guns/

 

One of the main reasons behind the drafting of the 2A was to limit the government from enacting legislation disarming citizens, removing their potential to resist a tyrannical government. You'd think with all the Left's hysteria and prediction if Trump is elected that it would result in a tyrannical government that they would fully embrace the intent and protections of the 2A.

 

pLEASE TELL ME god DIDNT TELL YOU HIS inalienable RIGHTS ARE UNTOUCHEY?

All rights have limitations. When you infringe on another. When it becomes imposing on others.

Tell me why you cant have rocket launchers open carry? NO TOUCHEY, right?

 

Sure, as soon as you explain to me how the government gets to regulate the Bill of Rights. You know, those rights that they're specifically forbidden to regulate.

 

There shouldn't be any restriction on carrying a RPG.

 

But there is. SO, either your understanding of the constitution is faulty, or the SUPREME COURT'S IS.

 

Wrote an OP specifically addressing SHALL NOT INFRINGE. THERE, your compatriots were FORCED to face the definitions that are so clear. It didn't go so well for the RIGHT.

 

Is there? I know that that buying and selling RPGs is highly restricted, but I haven't actually seen any laws about carrying one...

 

Open carry legal in your state?
There you go.

 

The same supreme court that recently declared illegal stops and searches by police officers are not unconstitutional and actually justified if they find even minor evidence of criminal wrongdoing, such as a single unpaid parking ticket? The same supreme court that ruled police officers do not need to know what the law says in order to enforce the law?

 

Evidence found after the fact, cannot be used as post hoc justification. That is called a fishing expedition.

 

The Bill of Rights protects the rights of individuals. People have the right to keep and bear arms.

The Bill of Rights explicity prohibits the Federal government, and the limited powers granted to the federal government implicitly denies them the ability to pass laws against gun ownership.

The 14th amendment prohibits the states from passing laws infringing on the rights granted to us in the Constitution.

The specific language in the 2A of "shall not infringe" is not even necessary, when the entire purpose of the Bill of Rights is one big "do not infringe" sign.

Try again.

 

When you say EXPLICITLY PROHIBITS, you are talking GARBAGE. Infringe does NOT mean what you think it does. Look up my OP on it. Shall not infringe.

Nor does the 14th Amendment. Look up my Op on 14th amendment.

 

Exactly. The right to bear arms is sacrosanct. (And yes, I do understand that all rights have limitations, and that my right to swing my arms ends at another person's nose...).

It's a good thing we haven't had to endure an incident like the one in Nice, because then we'd have to have a discussion about Truck Control. Come on, people: can we agree on what the problem is, and keep our focus on it?

 

The Federal government only has those powers specifically enumerated to it.

Please show me where the Federal government was given the specific power to regulate private gun ownership.

Additionally, please explain the purpose of the Bill of Rights to us then.

 

WEll REGULATED seems to apply.

The purpose of the bill of rights is to make those freedoms SEEM out of reach of politicians. To make infringement as unlikely as possible.

To provide teeth against home invasion type intrusions, and indiscriminant stop and frisk.

 

Well regulated militias were best defined in the Militia Act of 1792. Many of the Founders who signed the USC also created the Militia Act. In the Act, there is nothing about regulating the guns. James Madison personally said that private citizens could have cannons on their own warships to fight pirates. Much of the Act lists the various regulations on the chain of command---the "regulation" of the militias.

III. And be it further enacted, That within one year after the passing of the Act, the militia of the respective states shall be arranged into divisions, brigades, regiments, battalions, and companies, as the legislature of each state shall direct; and each division, brigade, and regiment, shall be numbered at the formation thereof; and a record made of such numbers of the Adjutant-General's office in the state; and when in the field, or in serviced in the state, such division, brigade, and regiment shall, respectively, take rank according to their numbers, reckoning the first and lowest number highest in rank. That if the same be convenient, each brigade shall consist of four regiments; each regiment or two battalions; each battalion of five companies; each company of sixty-four privates. That the said militia shall be officered by the respective states, as follows: To each division on Major-General, with two Aids-de-camp, with the rank of major; to each brigade, one brigadier-major, with the rank of a major; to each company, one captain, one lieutenant, one ensign, four serjeants, four corporals, one drummer, and one fifer and bugler. That there shall be a regimental staff, to consist of one adjutant, and one quartermaster, to rank as lieutenants; one paymaster; one surgeon, and one surgeon's mate; one serjeant-major; one drum- major, and one fife-major.

IV. And be it further enacted, That out of the militia enrolled as is herein directed, there shall be formed for each battalion, as least one company of grenadiers, light infantry or riflemen; and that each division there shall be, at least, one company of artillery, and one troop of horse: There shall be to each company of artillery, one captain, two lieutenants, four serjeants, four corporals, six gunners, six bombardiers, one drummer, and one fifer. The officers to be armed with a sword or hanger, a fusee, bayonet and belt, with a cartridge box to contain twelve cartridges; and each private of matoss shall furnish themselves with good horses of at least fourteen hands and an half high, and to be armed with a sword and pair of pistols, the holsters of which to be covered with bearskin caps. Each dragoon to furnish himself with a serviceable horse, at least fourteen hands and an half high, a good saddle, bridle, mail-pillion and valise, holster, and a best plate and crupper, a pair of boots and spurs; a pair of pistols, a sabre, and a cartouchbox to contain twelve cartridges for pistols. That each company of artillery and troop of house shall be formed of volunteers from the brigade, at the discretion of the Commander in Chief of the State, not exceeding one company of each to a regiment, nor more in number than one eleventh part of the infantry, and shall be uniformly clothed in raiments, to be furnished at their expense, the colour and fashion to be determined by the Brigadier commanding the brigade to which they belong.

V. And be it further enacted, That each battalion and regiment shall be provided with the state and regimental colours by the Field-Officers, and each company with a drum and fife or bugle-horn, by the commissioned officers of the company, in such manner as the legislature of the respective States shall direct.

VI. And be it further enacted, That there shall be an adjutant general appointed in each state, whose duty it shall be to distribute all orders for the Commander in Chief of the State to the several corps; to attend all publick reviews, when the Commander in Chief of the State shall review the militia, or any part thereof; to obey all orders from him relative to carrying into execution, and perfecting, the system of military discipline established by this Act; to furnish blank forms of different returns that may be required; and to explain the principles of which they should be made; to receive from the several officers of the different corps throughout the state, returns of the militia under their command, reporting the actual situation of their arms, accoutrements, and ammunition, their delinquencies, and every other thing which relates to the general advancement of good order and discipline: All which, the several officers of the division, brigades, regiments, and battalions are hereby required to make in the usual manner, so that the said adjutant general may be duly furnished therewith: From all which returns be shall make proper abstracts, and by the same annually before the Commander in Chief of the State.

VII. And be it further enacted, That the rules of discipline, approved and established by Congress, in their resolution of the twenty-ninth of March, 1779, shall be the rules of discipline so be observed by the militia throughout the United States, except such deviations from the said rules, as may be rendered necessary by the requisitions of the Act, or by some other unavoidable circumstances. It shall be the duty of the Commanding Officer as every muster, whether by battalion, regiment, or single company, to cause the militia to be exercised and trained, agreeably to the said rules of said discipline.

VIII. And be it further enacted, That all commissioned officers shall take rank according to the date of their commissions; and when two of the same grade bear an equal date, then their rank to be determined by lots, to be drawn by them before the Commanding officers of the brigade, regiment, battalion, company or detachment.

IX. And be it further enacted That if any person whether officer or solder, belonging to the militia of any state, and called out into the service of the United States, be wounded or disabled, while in actual service, he shall be taken care of an provided for at the publick expense.

X. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the brigade inspector, to attend the regimental and battalion meeting of the militia composing their several brigades, during the time of their being under arms, to inspect their arms, ammunition and accoutrements; superintend their exercise and maneuvres and introduce the system of military discipline before described, throughout the brigade, agreeable to law, and such orders as they shall from time to time receive from the commander in Chief of the State; to make returns to the adjutant general of the state at least once in every year, of the militia of the brigade to which he belongs, reporting therein the actual situation of the arms, accoutrement, and ammunition, of the several corps, and every other thing which, in his judgment, may relate to their government and general advancement of good order and military disciple; an adjutant general shall make a return of all militia of the state, to the Commander in Chief of the said state, and a duplicate of the same to the president of the United States.

And whereas sundry corps of artillery, cavalry and infantry now exist in several of the said states, which by the laws, customs, or usages thereof, have not been incorporated with, or subject to the general regulation of the militia.

XI. Be it enacted, That such corps retain their accustomed privileges subject, nevertheless, to all other duties required by this Act, in like manner with the other militias.

[Act of February 28, 1795, made small revisions in Sections 2, 4, 5, and 10 of Act of May 2, 1792. The 1795 act was the authority for ruling in Houston v. Moore, 1820. Other revisions were enacted April 18, 1814]

Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act, [words requiring notification by an associate justice or district judge were omitted in 1795 revision. The revision gave the President more authority] the same being notified to the President of the United States, by an associate justice or the district judge, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia of such state to suppress such combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed. And if the militia of a state, where such combinations may happen, shall refuse, or be insufficient to suppress the same, it shall be lawful for the President, if the legislature of the United States be not in session, to call forth and employ such numbers of the militia of any other state or states most convenient thereto, as may be necessary, and the use of militia, so to be called forth, may be continued, if necessary, until the expiration of thirty days after the commencement of the ensuing session.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That the militia employed in the service of the United States, shall receive the same pay and allowances, as the troops of the United States, [omitted in 1795: "who may be in service at the same time, or who were last in service, and shall be subject to the same rules and articles of war"]: And that no officer, non-commissioned officer or private of the militia shall be compelled to serve more than three months in any one year, nor more than in due rotation with every other able-bodied man of the same rank in the battalion to which be belongs.

Sec. 5. And be it further enacted, That every officer, non-commissioned officer or private of the militia, who shall fail to obey the orders of the President of the United States in any of the cases before recited, shall forfeit a sum not exceeding one year's pay, and not less than one month's pay, to be determined and adjudged by a court martial; and such officers shall, moreover, be liable to be cashiered by sentence of a court martial: [words added in 1795:] and be incapacitated from holding a commission in the militia, for a term not exceeding twelve months, at the discretion of the said court: and such non-commissioned officers and privates shall be liable to be imprisoned by the like sentence, or failure of payment of the fines adjudged against them, for the space of one calendar month for every five dollars of such fine.

Sec. 10. [revised to read:] And be it further enacted, That the act, intitled "Act to provide for calling forth the militia, to execute the laws of Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions," passed the second day of May one thousand seven hundred and ninety-two, shall be, and the same is hereby repealed.

APPROVED, February 28, 1795.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792.htm

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