Arctic Melting evidence of Global Warming

They have no theory.

 

No theory needed to falsify another theory but many that haven't a clue about science come up with idiotic ideas like this.

 

Wrong, we have observed massive global warming, the arctic has lost 75% of its ice mass since 1970.

WHAT'S YOUR THEORY?

 

It was warmer during the last interglacial and no SUV's. You don't think the climate changes?

 

it would create jobs managing floods when the ice melts, so maybe it is not a bad thing.

we could invest in boat manufacturing jobs here in America, and not let china take those jobs away with Donald Trump's tariffs.

 

No it wasn't, the Arctic ice has not been this reduced in 54 million years, since the last known event when this much CO2 was pumped into the atmosphere by an as yet undiscovered event.

You're just full of misinformation.

 

LOL, sure thing Skippy. Ignore the science for the political agenda.

 

The only one ignoring science, obviously, is you. So what's your theory for the current warming?

 

You still don't think the climate changes unless you start your SUV?

 

The seas are rising? OMG.. we only got like 1,000,000 years to solve this. Better tax and spend.

 

....and it's been warmer at times during this interglacial

 

The climate can change for many reasons and many causes. This time it is caused by man burning millions of tons of fossils fuels, deforistation, and poor land management practices. We burn carbon millions of years in the making and destroy the ecosystems that sequester that same carbon. The system is overloaded.

 

Or so the popular hypothesis claims. An unverifiable hypothesis at that.

 

Wrong, dude, you aren't even presenting your own theory and evidence, or the "denier's" theory and evidence for why the Arctic is melting.

Until you do that you haven't an ice-cube to stand on!

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No it hasn't.

Do you deny that the last time the Earth has had this much CO2 in its atmosphere the Arctic circle was a jungle? DO YOU DENY THIS?

 

You obviously don't know how science works or much about this issue other than alarmist sound bites.

 

Just like it melted after the previous ice age. We should expect nothing different from the ordinary cycles of climate change.

 

If it is a cycle you should be able to tell where we are in the current cycle and predict to some degree what the future holds. But you can't can you. I have heard about this cycle for years without a shred of evidence. It is a weak argument.

 

????? Of course I can. Continually increasing temperatures, rising sea levels and the disappearance of ice in the artcic, until we begin to descend into the next ice age where civilization is scraped off the surface of Canada by glaciers

 

Uh, you do realize that no interglacial period ever saw this much reduction in Arctic ice right? And you do realize we are actually already past into the natural "cooling phase" of the orbital cycles? That means you have no explainable mechanism for your imaginary "heat wave" due to interglacial periods.

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It didn't melt after the previous ice age, now you don't know what you're talking about.

The Arctic ice minimums have never been this low in 54+million years.

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I am quite sure I know more about science and technology then you! You can't even formulate a theory for the observations.

 

I know exactly what I am talking about and it is you who are a clueless victim of so called climate science.

What we are seeing now occurs at the end of every ice age. You've been completely brainwashed.

 

Yeah sure YOU'RE an authority on paleoclimate.

Please, tell us when the last time the Arctic ice was this "minimum" in extent and thickness? Please cite your peer reviewed papers supporting your argument. Because it's never happened in 54 million years.

What's funny is you go on to quote "five major ice ages" and ignore that the "Quaternary glaciation" is the periodic glaciation that occurs every ~40,000 years and has been happening for the last 54 million years.

Do you even know how long the Quaternary is?

It is an age at least 2.5 million years in length.

During that time the ice "expands and contracts" in glacial and interglacial periods. During that time the Arctic ice has never been this reduced.

Are you claiming we are ending a period of glaciation and returning to some global normal between those 5 major glaciation periods?

The quote is even wrong, because the Earth has not been "ice free" even in "high latitudes" for most of the Earth's history. The last time the Arctic ice was this melted was 54 million years ago.

Now since I've posted NUMEROUS scientific videos and studies on this forum about this issue, I challenge you to post YOUR peer reviewed literature to support your claims.

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Oh need I point out that Antarctica has been covered in Ice for 30+Million years?

That alone disproves whatever stupid quote you gave about the Earth usually being Ice Free even in High Latitudes.

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http://www.science20.com/news_releases/why_did_ice_antarctica_suddenly_appear_35_million_years_ago_co2_says_study

Very damaging to your "beliefs".

 

The problem isn't the magnitude of global mean surface temperature, it is the rate at which it is changing. 5,000 years of global cooling was erased in the last century, and it doesn't show any signs of stopping.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/339/6124/1198.abstract

 

The problem is conservatives are indoctrinated to believe things that aren't even true about paleoclimate and predictions. They (as evidenced above) actually argue that the current warming is less than historical normals.

The last time the Earth warmed up this fast we had an extinction level event that killed off most animals bigger than a house cat.

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

You still don't have a point. You make no theory as to why we observe global warming. You explain no mechanism by which it is happening and in no way test those mechanisms.