Is Trump the First Alt Right Candidate?

Indeed, just as Clinton was once a Republican, but elections must deal with the current versions of the candidates.

I have no idea who his "alt left" followers could be, but his support and endorsements from the neo-nazi Daily Stormer and white supremacist American Freedom Party are considered "alt-right."

Neither liberals nor his hardcore followers share your peculiar perspective.

When refraining from targeting particular ethnic, racial, and religious groups for abusive is politically correct, I'm for it. The right has their own version of 'PC', of course. For some it would mean that I should not mention his neo-nazi and white supremacist support.

I regard all of these as sensible, pragmatic positions that transcend ideology - although they could be regarded as a realistic form of libertarianism.

Pretending that the reality tv performer is a "liberal" is very odd.

I regard the show business celebrity and his "alt-right" disciples similarly to how traditional, respectable Republicans regarded the Birch Society or Senator Joe McCarthy, extremist aberrations that need to be exorcised if the conservative movement is to recover respectability.

 

To me, Trump is. And by the way, Trump supporters are now calling conservatives the new RINO's.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/14/conservatives-are-the-new-rinos/

to most of Trump's supporters he is no longer a conservative, they have discarded that veil. To them he now a populist or a nationalist or even a nativist. There are a lot of conservatives like me who view this election as one liberal against another. Or should I say a cloak and dagger liberal against a true liberal. I just wish Trump would have stayed one of those faceless money donors who buy politicians.

 

Liberal fantasy narrative. Liberals desperately need racism to be alive and well so they foment it with racial identity politics.

 

No evidence? Yea right, and Steve Bannon doesn't hate jews; http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show You folks are too funny.

 

Trump is espousing ultra-conservative positions, whether you like it or not.

I have no idea why you imagine that "to most of Trump's supporters he is no longer a conservative."

The internal struggle within the GOP between traditional conservatives and alt-right conservatives won't be resolved by each pretending the other - as well as their nominee - is something else.

 

Basically because I seen them on this site state so. He is no conservative Perhaps it is hard for someone who isn't to believe. He's not. He is just an opportunist who took advantage of some angry Republicans who were mad at their elected officials and party leaders and had to make a statement. Their statement literally handed the white house to Hillary Clinton on a silver platter.

 

Perhaps, just perhaps, if Bannon were not a wife abuser who expresses anti-semitic views, he would not be regarded as a wife abuser who expresses anti-semitic views.

 

Trump is championing ultra-conservative policies, and the GOP needs to banish that element at it did McCarthyism and the Birchers.

I don't know who is telling you he is not a conservative, but liberals clearly have no use for him. You can't try pawning him off on them.

He's been pandering to conservatives for years.

From 2011:

He stole the show with an impromptu speech at the recent Conservative Political Action Conference,
telling the audience he’s “pro-life” and against gun control, higher taxes and President Obama’s health-care law.​

 

Trump is definitely not a conservative, but I wouldn't call him a liberal either. He's more of an opportunist.

 

Wow. Whoever wrote that is a lying piece of (*)(*)(*)(*). But what's new?

 

Watching you numbskulls try to compute this conundrum is as disturbing as seeing a boxer do the chicken dance during a brutal ko.

Very disturbing how successful the dumbing down psychological operations have been. You guys are smart... just severely mentally handicapped by this right left brainwashing. There's no point in trying to communicate with you guys. You can't fathom the ideas that would lead you to developing a relevant argument. I might be wrong in my views, but it won't be anyone in this idiotic thread who shows me why. What a shame.

 

I see some similarities with George Wallace and his populism, a few with Ross Perot, but an almost exact duplicate with the values, themes and proposals of Patrick Buchanan who ran for the GOP nomination twice.

 

Trump/Pence, the GOP ticket, is the conservative choice

Whatever the reality tv performer may actually be, there is no doubt that he is pandering to an ultra-conservative element.

He is clearly not an opportunist attempting to entice liberals.

When Reagan also attracted some blue collar White Democrats, disgruntled Republicans were not attempting to label him a "liberal" for doing so.

Conservatives’ Laughable Effort to Blame Liberals for Trump

The current internal GOP spat is between different strains of conservatives. They need to deal with it.

 

His political views are not of a conservative nature, he may have used his snake oil poison to convince some to vote for him, but his political views, his lifelong held political views are more liberal.

 

If you are unable to admit that the reality tv performer has been spouting conservative boilerplate, and that those rabid Trumpies are far, far from "liberal", then it appears to me that you do not have the grasp of American politics I had assumed.

Trump/Pence is a conservative ticket, running on a conservative platform, and espousing conservative policies.

Do all conservative Republicans fall in line on every issue? Hardly, but that does not transform the reality tv entertainer into a "Liberal!" by any stretch of the imagination.

Again, the GOP needs to confront its own dysfunction. Pretending that those ubiquitous "Liberals!" have seized their presidential ticket is denial that does not serve the deeply distressed Party.

 

Trump has been a Democrat three times, a Republican three times, an independent three times and even belonged to my tiny Reform Party for about a year. He bends with the political winds. He been pro choice and pro life, He's donated to as many Democrats as Republicans, he's for gender equality and affirmative action and agreed with the SCOTUS ruling on gay marriage. He thinks eminent domain is a good thing, for removal the the Cuban embargo, doesn't think we should side with Isreal, for an assault weapons ban, background checks, waiting periods.

Trump is for Universal Health Care and I could go on and on. Trump is an opportunist, not a conservative, more liberal point of views than conservatives ones.

 

You can try to convince yourself that it is a Trump of yore that is currently the GOP nominee, that his "evolving" has been opportunistic, and that the Trump/Pence ticket is actually "liberal.".

If you really believe that the reality tv performer is the candidate of the Huffington Post, MSNBC, the Daily Kos, Salon, Mother Jones, and The Nation, embraced by Senators such as Elizabeth Warren and Al Fanken, good luck in finding credible evidence of it.

Is former Republican Hillary Clinton, the Iraq War supporter, not sufficiently dogmatic in espousing a pure "liberal" ideology for some on the left? Clearly, but if anyone actually tried to cast her as the "conservative" in the current race, I would have to laugh at her as well.



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You can laugh all you want. Trump is as liberal as George Pataki, not as much as Warren or Sanders, but he is a liberal. If not for the R next to his name, you could see that. I don't blame you, most people can't get past the R and the D. My D Genghis Khan is better than your R Mother Terrisa. Not that Trump is anywhere close to a Mother Terrisa, he is completely the opposite. But 90% of the D's would vote for, defend and protect Genghis Khan if his name had a D next to it. Ditto the Republicans if they ran Genghis Khan. What is important is the R or the D, not the candidate.

This election proves it. If the candidates were important, nominating the best candidate for this nation was important to those mind numbed party followers, we wouldn't have to pick which poison this country is to die of, to choose between arsenic Trump and Cyanide Clinton.

 

Few would buy your attempts to portray the GOP nominee endorsed by the neo-nazi Daily Stormer and the white supremacist American Freedom Party as a "liberal", certainly no real liberals of whom I am aware.

The conservative Newsmax provided conservatives with his bona fides:

Hardcore Trumpies who prepetually rave against their bête noire "Liberals!" would laugh harder than I at such a bizarre suggestion.

 

Just going by his life long held views prior announcing his run for the presidency as a Republican. You can ignore them if you like. Your choice. But I think lifelong held views are more in tuned to Trump's real political philosophy than those adopted to run as a Republican.

 

I've already renamed 'em 'all trite' in honour of their obvious roots.

 

Is Hillary our first alt-left candidate?

 

Trump is whatever will get his rallies sold out and people chanting his name like little cult weirdos. I don't think he's alt-right, I don't think he really cares, but he definitely appeals to the alt-right. Bunch of loons. They've infested this site.

 

The views that he has expressed over the years - before he decided to impersonate a politician - have varied.

I accept him as he appears now based upon the positions he now espouses, just as I do not pretend that Clinton is still the Republican who had campaigned for Barry Goldwater in the U.S. presidential election of 1964.

 

You are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I agree that Trump is no liberal. I also don't believe he's a conservative. He's just an opportunist who ran as a Republican this time around because he saw that a large portion of angry white conservatives were not happy with America in general, and they also had a seething and intense hatred of Obama, and he took advantage of that by becoming the leading birther, as well as pandering to them with race baiting rhetoric about Mexicans, blacks, "Muslims", etc.