Did Putin Stage a False Flag Coup in Turkey?

Considering Erdogan's realignment with Russia, the only logical explanation is that the US pushed the coup ahead, in the same way they did in Ukraine when Yanukovich decided for economic reasons to leave off joining the EU. The preparations though were made a long time before the coup... as they were in Ukraine.

Anyone who has been paying attention to Turkey and what has been going on there in the past years, would know that Erdogan was suspicious of Washington from the time of the mass protests in Istanbul ...and that was about four or five years ago.

Erdogan at the time said something to that affect, and that's when Putin started clamping down on the NGO's in Russia. This is also when Erdogan became worried about Gulen and began switching around the judges and police chiefs... knowing how much they might have been influenced by their former teacher.

When the elections came, Erdogan blamed Gulen for all the incriminating evidence of corruption that turned up against him.

Anyway there is no way Washington is going to hand Gulen over to Erdogan, since he knows too much. He might end up dead though, and the blame of course will be thrown on.... who else?

Vladimir Putin of course.



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[MENTION=59696]Jeannette[/MENTION], refer to post 21.

You called out someone earlier for not posting credible sources to verify their claims. You have not posted credible sources that indicate the US had anything at all to do with the coup in Turkey. Right now you are using only opinions.

What are your sources that involve the US in this coup?

 

Did Putin arrange Turkey's coup??? Nah!

And neither did the USA.

It was just a small segment of the Turkish military being themselves.

 

There's one major problem here. It those involved in the coup, whether it was willingly or unwillingly were all part of the Turkish military and members of Nato, then what's the purpose of its existence if it can be so easily influenced by a non Nato country?

 

But the US have done so many things in international affairs for the last decades which they didn't gain anything in.

What did they gain in destroying Yugoslavia?
What did they gain in crushing Libya's Gaddafi?
What did they gain in encouraging coup in Ukraine?
What did they gain in all color revolutions?

Sometimes it looks like this machine of producing the color revolutions works itself, just because it works, with no purpose, no target, no sense.

 

I didn't claim anything. I quoted from articles in Katehon, and what they said came from Turkish sources.... and it's a lot more than what we will get from the MSM.

This of course doesn't guarantee that the Turkish sources were accurate, but at least we know how the Turks are presenting it... And as far as I'm concerned, this is the only thing that will remain in my mind: that the Turks are presenting it as coming from Gulen, CIA and Nato.

Knowing Erdogan and how wily he is, the possibility exists that he wants to blackmail Washington and Nato... so we will just have to wait and see what the future holds.

As for now according to Greekpronews, 15,000 Turkish soldiers entered Syria and one of their tanks was blasted. And in Turkey itself, more and more soldiers and police are being killed in terrorist attacks by the PKK. Today 11 were killed and 70 injured in explosions.

I have a strange suspicion that while Kerry is giving 'nice talk', the CIA is arming the PKK in Turkey?

 

The Turks are blaming (some of them) things on the CIA or NATO. Where is the evidence? That has not been presented. Just a whole bunch of crazy conspiracy theories from unknown sources.

 

Bravo! Why I didn`t see this comment in the anti-Russian topics? Double standards?

 

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Every investigator will tell you that in order to find the perpetrator of a crime, one has to look at who had the means to commit a crime, and who had the most to gain. The means would have to be Nato because of their connection with the Turkish military, and the CIA because of its connections with Gulen.

As for who had the most to gain, again it would be Nato and the CIA who would have been against the restoration of relations between Russia and Turkey since it would have affected TAP the gas pipeline which would have cut off Russia's gas monopoly to Europe, in preference to Turkstream. Soros' NGO's have been causing quite a bit of upheavals in the Balkans and especially in Macedonia for the same reason.

I doubt that the Turks did not present some evidence to the US government, otherwise how could they demand to have Gulen extradited? More than likely what has been presented is being held back by our ministers of propaganda so they can spin it whichever way they want. Since the Turkish sites are not reliable and controlled by Erdogan, the only means of objective information would be the Russian ones.

 

All I know is I haven't believed anybody in a long, long time, not the Russians, not the Americans (definitely not the Americans), and nobody else. I'm still not convinced 9/11 wasn't a false-flag operation and, since then, absolutely nothing has been on the up and up. How are we ever to know if the CIA backed the coup against Erdogan? If I'm a GI, I throw down my weapon and hitchhike home until people stop lying to me.

 

Thank you for telling me how investigations are run.

Investigations rely on sifting through raw intelligence and separating false theories from facts.

What we see here are stretched out theories with no sources to indicate truths.

 

And you will never be given the truth if you rely on the MSM. As I said the Russians had nothing to gain so they are out of the equation. Anything contrary to that would be nothing but a conspiracy theory formed by the lack of information given out by our ministers of propaganda..

Turkey's economy was shattered because of the Russian sanctions, and that's why Erdogan apologized. Also he lost trust in Washington because of its support to the Syrian Kurds. To make amends with Russia, he probably decided to reconsider Turkstream.

As for it being a false flag, the only one that had something to gain would have been Erdogan. Turkey's Intelligence the MIT is known for these things, and accusing Washington would have been great blackmail to get them to forget their plans of creating a Kurdistan bordering Turkey. We see when it comes to importance how quickly Washington deserted the Kurds to please Turkey ...or at least publicly they did.

As for Gulen, if the CIA has no more use for him, they're going to kill him before handing him over. He knows too much.

The coup to me seems a little too big a false flag for even Erdogan and his MIT to handle. More than likely the information given and collected by Russia is accurate.

 

I'm not asking for MSM truth. I'm asking for anything that proves your theories. You answer my questions with theories.

 

I think the thing about the claim that the coup being false flag is that how you could control the army really. Anyone who knows about the Turkish Army could realise that a false flag coup attempt could turn into a real coup very easily.

 

I'm glad you popped up because I just read something quite different by Prof Michel Chossudovsky in Global Research. According to him:

The implementation of the Turkish invasion required routine consultations with the US and NATO, coordination of military logistics, intelligence, communications systems, coordination of ground and air operations, etc. To be effectively carried out these military endeavors required a cohesive and “friendly” US-Turkey relationship.​

In other words he believes the invasion was planned with Nato and the US and the coup was meant to fail so he could purge tens of thousands of people, many who might have objected to the invasion of Syria. What do you think?

As for me I'm not sure I agree with the Professor... even though I do not trust Erdogan. What Erdogan said was that the plans to invade Syria were made a while ago and he wasn't able to implement them because of the plane shoot down... and I'm going to take him at his word until I find out differently.

It seems to me that Washington wanted to make amends after the coup, and backed away from supporting the Kurds and gave Erdogan the green light to invade.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-nat...roundwork-for-broader-middle-east-war/5542921

 

they were doing too good for everyones good
https://www.sott.net/article/313173...uropean-success-story-ruined-by-NATO-invasion

unifying africa under a golden dinar
https://www.rt.com/news/economy-oil-gold-libya/

they desided to not join EU. They threw a wrench in western geopolitics

In each case there is an apartment motive. I cant think of one for Turkey

Before the coup Turkey had closer ties with US then it did with Russia. We even have our nukes there.

Turkey was already a geopolitical asset even before the coup.

Why would we stage a coup? To make them into a geopolitical asset? They already are.

Humanitarian reasons? We never act on that.

Because they were doing so good? They were in recession.

We already have everything we needed in Turkey. Staging a coup just doesnt add up. There wouldnt be much to gain and we would never risk out nuclear assets in a coup.

Anyway its obviously that Hillary wants some war with Russia. She seem to be thinking that US needs to be attacked. Ukraine might be in part because of that

"The best thing that could happen is if we were attacked ... In fact well prevoke the attack" -Hillary

 

If the Turkish army had planned on invading Greece, then it doesn't seem that the CIA would have been involved in the coup and they actually were working alone. In that case it doesn't seem that Gulen would have been involved either.

 

Which leads to the question of why did he blame US. Or the type of "conspirators" that were arrested.

And if it was a false flag ploted by Erdogan, alone, why did Putin "warn" him?

There is just to many holes in the story to believe the Turkish side of it. The fact that Russia supported the Turkish side is what lead me to suspicion that Putin may have something to do with the coup as part of a deal with Turkey.

When the 2 pilots were arrested, my suspicions grew stronger.

Their arrest seem very Putinesque.

 

The premise of this thread is silly
The base and nukes have been moved now
Ergodan obviously is a Muslim hardliner
Putin,I don't see him aligning with that.
Thank God I live in the US and Mexico isn't full of Muslims.That's the situation that is for Putin.Imagine Mexico being full of Muslims that want to wage Jihad against their neighbors to the north.
Thank God that's not the situation in the US.Yet it is in Russia.Putin should build a great wall.
The US will once Trump is president.
It was supposed to be done years ago,duh.
Yes ghaddafi had plans to do good for Africa;He was doing the right thing but the Neocons (Hillary) killed him.That's not good.
We could always export Hillary to Syria,right?

 

There is nothing to connect it to Vladimir Putin... that's just another conspiracy theory concocted by the 'demonizers'. He would never get himself involved in the affairs of another country unless he's asked and he feels Russia's security is at stake...

Anyway the only thing Erdogan said was to thank Vladimir Putin for his moral support, something he did not get from Obama or Merkel. Everything else is just hearsay.

 

I like Putin and all, but I will not pretend like he is some moral Jesus.

He was a KGB agent.He knows information warfare better then anyone and uses it well. He uses a lot of truth to draw people in and mixes a bit of lies to spin things his way. That's partly why RT has been so successful. Still more truth than MSM though. He is also very subtle and knows how to kill em softly. Again. Traits he picked up while working for KGB. I don't believe that Putin is as bad as our media makes him out to be. In fact he is better than many western leaders(like Obama). But he is no saint either. Far from it. Just like US strategically maneuvers to get a geopolitical advantage, Russia must too in order to counter it.

What better way to counter the "missile shields" in eastern Europe that compromises Russian nuclear assets and pay back for the coup in Ukraine other then to compromise his rivals nuclear assets in Turkey by having Erdogan stage a coup?

A reactionary plan seldom succeeds and Putin isn't the type to put forth a such a plan when his rivals are pushing so aggressively. A reactionary plan ensures that you are always a step behind. He must actively counter his rivals. To properly counter his rivals he must weaken them equally in another region that's out of the western limelight and is one of their closest allies.

Now he has Iran Trukey and Syria all fighting on for a common goal. There is even now talks of Saudi Arabia joining the mix during the G20 summit.

https://www.rt.com/news/358246-saudi-salman-putin-cooperation/

Anyway. Like I said. The path of events were just too convenient for Russia and Erdogan for it to be a coincidence in my book

 

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I like Putin and all, but I will not pretend like he is some moral Jesus.

He was a KGB agent.He knows information warfare better then anyone and uses it well. He uses a lot of truth to draw people in and mixes a bit of lies to spin things his way. That's partly why RT has been so successful. Still more truth than MSM though. He is also very subtle and knows how to kill em softly. Again. Traits he picked up while working for KGB. I don't believe that Putin is as bad as our media makes him out to be. In fact he is better than many western leaders(like Obama). But he is no saint either. Far from it. Why do you think he can easily look the other way regarding the crimes of his allies? Like Turkey who not too long ago was peddled by RT to have been working closely with ISIS. Training them. Enabling flow of goods and weapons through its borders.Chemical weapons.Providing medical care.

DO YOU THINK THAT PUTIN IS THE TYPE TO ALLY HIMSELF WITH SOMEONE THAT PROVIDED ISIS SO MUCH SUPPORT? EVEN AFTER AN APOLOGY?

I dont. And you cant even make an argument that Erdogan didnt know. Russia made sure that the whole world knew. And the cooperation continued.

Thats another part of the reason why I smelled something hen Putin opened tourism in full swing after the coup, even making the announcement during Erdogan's purge. Just like US strategically maneuvers to get a geopolitical advantage, Russia must too in order to counter it.

What better way to counter the "missile shields" in eastern Europe that compromises Russian nuclear assets and pay back for the coup in Ukraine other then to compromise his rivals nuclear assets in Turkey by having Erdogan stage a coup?

A reactionary plan seldom succeeds and Putin isn't the type to put forth a such a plan when his rivals are pushing so aggressively. A reactionary plan ensures that you are always a step behind. He must actively counter his rivals. To properly counter his rivals he must weaken them equally in another region that's out of the western limelight and is one of their closest allies.

Now he has Iran Turkey and Syria all fighting on for a common goal as well as securing his presence in Turkey. There is even now talks of Saudi Arabia joining the mix during the G20 summit.

https://www.rt.com/news/358246-saudi-salman-putin-cooperation/

Anyway. Like I said. The path of events were just too convenient for Russia and Erdogan for it to be a coincidence in my book

This coop was likely designed by Putin to covertly strip Turkey of extremist elements within his own government(probably on request from Putin). I don't see him working with Turkey if they at least didn't do this much. Erdogan took the opportunity to go after his political enemies as well. Blaming the coup on US will then serve the purpose of providing an excuse for Erdogan to now side with Russia.

It all seems logical.

If it was a real coup and the Kurds in politics (whom RT portray over and over again as a victim) tried to seize power, then I doubt that Putin would even care if power was transferred to them. Especially if they were so oppressed.

 

Putin obviously allied with Turkey as he let them in Syria. Where before the coup they were sticking to their borders and shelling from afar, now they are in Syria capturing towns with tanks. This would obviously not have happened without Putin's approval. But before the coup Turkey was best buds with ISIS. Why would he let some one like that in Syria?

I bet a
Part of the coup was to strip Trukey government of ISIS.
Another part was to take away our nuclear assets in the region to counter the buildup in the eastern europe.

Loved the rest of your post

 

Russia allowed the Turkish advances into Syria since they didn't want Syria broken up and Washington was backing the Kurd takeover of that area. Moscow is getting worried though because Erdogon's troops are advancing further into Syria...and it threatens their sovereignty.

What is interesting is that when the Turkish troops moved in, ISIS packed up and left rather than fight... It shows where their support has been coming from... other than Saudi Arabia.

Anyway here's an interesting video from a Lebanese. He said that Erdogan has a lot to be grateful to Vladimir Putin for, and that he was hiding in the Russian base in Syria during the coup. He mentions though that the situation after the coup is different than what it was before, and Russia is very upset over the Turkish armies advances into Syria..

Knowing how Erdogan stabs in the back when the opportune time arises, I wouldn't trust him for beans.

[video=youtube;NfpyXKtbeH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfpyXKtbeH0[/video]

This is an interesting video by an Israeli. He believes the coup was a set up by Erdogan with Nato in order to deceive Putin so Turkey could go into Syria. It does look that way.


[video=youtube;svcV7TFAUA4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svcV7TFAUA4[/video]

 

Thats completely wrong. This may have made sense if Russia was loosing influence in Syria and had to reach out to someone they rather not to strengthen their hold.

It was US that refused to join Russia. It was then US who asked Russia to join so that they can at least share in and show some semblance of success.

Us is not in a position to break anything up in Syria.

Furthermore Turkish actions in Syria doesnt benefit US as they are killing the Kurds whom they support. And we[US] have voiced our displeasure at this.

And as Ive pointed out. Before the coup Turkey stuck to to its borders, never daring to actually go in.

Lastly our objective in Syria is not to break it up. Its to get rid of Assad and install a pro western leader.

First Russia wouldnt let Turkey into Syria if they didnt want them there. Thats why before the coup Turkey stuck to its borders. Because Russia didn't want Turkey there.

There was no other reason.

If not for Russia, Turkey would have been there long ago.

Second. If Russia was upset, they would have voiced their displeasure as they always have done.

Russia has among the best cyber warfare and information gathering capabilities. Putin often brags about this when talking to journalists.

[video=youtube;8PgSX-WD96Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PgSX-WD96Q[/video]
1:05

"We know year by year whats going to happen, and they know that we know"

So the comment of how Putin is suddenly so gullible and doesnt know anything and that this Israeli somehow knows more makes no sense.