Philippines' Dutere Calls Obama 'SON OF A WHORE'

So far I've seen reports of 5 "innocents" killed. Two of those were not from police operations.

At least 2 of the 3 were with a drug dealer when they were shot...so were they innocent?

F&F, on the other hand, has at killed at least 269 that we know of and more are cropping up since there are still guns down there that haven't (and probably will never) been recovered. I'm not sure if that number includes the Americans that have been killed with them.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...exican-drug-cartels-linked-least-69-killings/

I'd rather have a leader that kills drug dealers than one who arms them.

 

. . . .So this method is the most fiscally responsible?

I'm sorry, but this president has a personal agenda to satiate a perverted blood lust. When the drug war is over, the bloodshed will continue.

 

Nope. It's the only method they have. You have no idea of the corruption and what a fifty dollar bill will buy there - including paying off a cop who comes to arrest you for dealing to kids.

Continue? It's been going on long before he came along as drugs have killed far more people every year than he could hope to. I'm sorry that you just don't seem to get it. The country is going down the tubes and strong measures have to be taken prior to it sinking beyond repair.

 

So just to be clear, you are taking the position that everyone the Philippine police and death squads claim to be drug dealers ARE actually drug dealers even though they haven't been tried and there is no oversight?

 

No. I'm taking the position that neither you nor I know what is going on, the people of the Philippines support it, and it's none of our business.

Would you prefer the status quo of thousands, if not tens of thousands, of Filipino's dying from illegal drugs?

I'm not saying it's a good thing that innocents are/maybe dying from a "war on drugs", but in the grand scheme of things far fewer people will die than under the current status quo.

Basically what you're saying is that the thousands of people dying due to drug lords in the Philippines is more acceptable than what is being done to clean it up.

 

Right wingers add another nutbag despot, along with Putin on their love list. It makes one wonder if they even want a democracy.

 

Spoken like a protected cream puff living in a gated community.

 

So historically what has happened in every other country in the world when death squads have been given a carte blanche to kill people so long as they declare them to be a specific hated group?

What I'm saying is that The Philippines should be arresting and trying drug dealers and addicts if that is what their law calls on them to do. Extrajudicial murder without a trial is a violation of human rights. Full Stop.

If you can't get behind that idea, I really hope something happens to prevent you from ever being able to vote in America.

 

Name another government where the "death squads" are targeting drug dealers.

Killing 2000 drug dealers saves how many lives? Which do you prefer, let the 2000 drug dealers live to kill tens of thousands of innocent people, or the innocent people?

Where were you on the issue when all the innocent people dying were victims of the drug dealers?

You're assuming their court system works.

Maybe it doesn't.

Maybe that's why it's as bad as it is.

Maybe that's why the people of the Philippines elected him FOR this action.

Maybe that's why he enjoys greater popular support than any president in history.

 

The death squads in the Philippines are SAYING they are targeting drug dealers.

Death squads in Nicaragua SAID they were targeting communists.

Death squads in Colombia SAID they were targeting FARC.

Death squads in Iraq SAID they were targeting Baathists.

Are you seeing a pattern here?

By the way, they are murdering addicts too. Does killing drug users save lives?

 

Yes. Reduces crime, provides incentive for addicts to turn themselves in for rehab and provides another incentive for dealers to find a new way of making living as their customer base has vanished which saves lives of future addicts and drug related crime.

 

Yeah. I'm seeing someone who wants to believe something that apparently isn't happening.

 

Of course it's a violation of human rights, they could kill you for whatever reasons they choose and say you a drug dealer.. since there's no due process there's no evidence needed. It's a no brainer to say this policy is a violation of human rights, but there are bound to be a few idiots somehwere out there who support it

 

A) because they are being killed without trial so that "innocent until PROVEN guilty" has been suspended
b) Would you like to live in a country where anyone can randomly point to you and yell "Drug trafficker" and then be shot by police?
c) Are you really happy with a foreign government dictating what an American President is to say?

 

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? What if you have a pretty sister and the local cop wants to have his way with her so threatens to brand you a drug addict - now there is a price on your head and the whole precinct can screw your sister and shoot your after just because they can

 

You would prefer them on booze?

If these people rely so heavily on drugs, there must be social reasons. I don't think killing the quarter of a population is going to make the survivors' lives any better - to the contrary.

 

That would mean that the person doing that would be corrupt and he would be marked for death as well. See, the door swings both ways.

 

The people involved in drugs are a small tiny minority but pose a large problem. A quarter of the population is a pretty big exaggeration as that number would be 25 million. In two months 2,000 people have been killed and 250,000 babies have been born hence your figure will never be reached.

 

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1) So far, all I've seen on this thread is bleeding heart whining, pompous pontifications and the dreaded curse of American Exceptionalism talking but no hard facts like a - Philippine Center on Transnatinal Crime and/or b - The Philippine Drug Situation but hey, why cloud this perfectly good emotional issue with stuff like facts?

2) Rodrigo Duterte is a flake along the lines of Trump but ran for office on the promise of cleaning the drug trade up. He was elected by a landslide (81%) and his actions are being done with the consent of those he governs. The special snowflakes in the US are upset about that. (see; cry me a river)

3) The hypocrisy here by the pc-democrats is so thick, it has degraded their opinions into sludge. They say nothing about their war mongering Obama who has blood all over his hands, they remain quiet about the women in SA who are routinely denied "due process" and subject to heinous punishments and sit stone faced while Obama and his henchmen sell out to the corporations. These are not well people.

 

The death penalty for drug trafficking is widespread across S/E Asia.

The US shows its stereotypical hypocrisy by criticising Duterte for acting in his own country when the US itself has the death penalty across many States and prisons loaded with blacks in order to fulfill occupancy requirements contracted to PPP prison operators.

Typical US meddling in something that is of no concern to them and also being a total hypocrite.

 

No. They are killed because they did not turn themselves in when given the chance.

No. I would not and, I live part of the year there. If a person is involved in a drug deal then he is going to get greased. If a person is on the list of drug dealers then he may turn himself in prior to being killed.

No. I am content with Duterte telling Obama to keep his comments to himself about what the Philippines is doing to combat their domestic problems though. Just as I would be content for Obama telling any foriegn leader to keep their comments to themselves about how America deals with their domestic problems.

On the other hand, if Obama wishes to provide fifty billion dollars to hire all the extra police, court staff, build and maintain holding facilities, pay for prosecution & defense lawyers and hold the millions of corrupt police, politicians, government officials and pay their wages while they await months if not years till they have their day in court and provide for pay raises to dissuade bribery and hire replacements while in holding as well as the millions of drug addicts, pushers, druglords and financiers then he should be allowed to advise on how that money might be spent.

Money talks and the Phil just doesn't have it to do it the nice way yet the problem is killing them so pony up or possibly shut up.

 

Duterte has used the "son of a whore" description before, many times.

Last month he called the Jewish US Ambassador to the Phillipines a "gay son of a whore".

For meddling in local affairs when he has no place to do so.

He's certainly colourful!

Of course the western media expressed typical Marxist "outrage" with the Orwellian thought policing PC nonsense.

I'm very heartened with political leaders rejecting the western PC disease. Eastern Europeans have completely after having it inflicted on them with Jewish communism for 50 or more years!

 

Barrypuppet's drones are killing people without a trial

Where is the proof that a random citizen can claim someone is a drug dealer and thus condemning him to death?

The Filipino president didn't say that the Barrypuppet couldn't make his feelings know, he simply offered a rebuttal and told him to "butt out" and I agree. If the Barrypuppet were to address this country's woes, he would have all on his plate that he could handle.

 

I don't want a democracy...I want a return to the republic form of government. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner.

 

Yeah, it's not like death squads have a history of murdering innocent people or anything.