A Constitutional Crisis in the Making ?

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With Hillary Clinton's body falling apart like a 1957 Ford Edsel or more accurately like a 1958 East German Trabant's, and scuttlebutt coming from the DNC preparing for replacing Hillary on the ballot, I don't think the DNC can do that, can they ?

    All states have a dead line when a Presidential candidate can be put on the ballot and that time has come and gone.

    So what will the Democrats do if Hillary body gets worst ? Another coughing attack and she pops out her eye balls or her feet break off just below her cankles while entering hew undercover EMT ambulance and she bleeds to death !!!

    Worst case scenario, Hillary starts barking like a dog again and the SPCA captures her with a big net and confines her to the dog pound.

    Correct me if I'm legally wrong, but who's on the ballot today is America's only choice who will become POTUS. No new candidates can be added to the ballot.

    Maybe a write in candidate ???

    Well Hillary, it was your choice what kind of lifestyle you would live. That thirty plus years coke binge is coming back to haunt your body, brain and health.

    Hillary like many of the older liberals today are now wishing they did ask questions back in 1987. -> https://youtu.be/ub_a2t0ZfTs
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many of these idiotic threads are you guys going to make?
     
  3. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I expect at least one every day until November 8th so at least 57 more minimum.

    Any more questions ? :roflol:

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    I'm just asking a legal Constitutional question.

    Are the Democrats stuck with Hillary being on the ballot ?
     
  4. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a good chance that the 8 foot long chunk of hair that Donald Trump uses to cover up his pink bald head will get caught in a stiff breeze and get caught in a corn combine thereby shredding him to death. Then what????
     
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    Why don't you research it, and get back to us?

    You seem to have a lot of time on your hands for minutae.
     
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    Emergency videos of Hitlery collapsing are being pulled....and the sheeple stay uninformed.
     
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    She will only be sick enough not to go to the ballot box if the TRUE polls say
    that the Beast will loose in a landslide. If the Commisars feels she will win then she will be on
    the ballot even if she is in ICU on Election Day. Kaine, the globalist-in-reserve, will
    do just fine once the Beast crosses the finish line a winner and alive.

    But I think the Donald will win so it won't matter.

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    It is likely that most, if not all, states have a provision for the state party to replace a candidate who dies or becomes incapacitated prior to the election (early voting) actually beginning. Regardless, as long as she is alive they will leave her on the ballot. Where it gets complicated would be if she died after early voting started. A dead person CAN win an election. But that would not make Kane the president because she and he had never been sworn in so therefore was never vice president. So it would go to Congress. However, it is likely congress would pick Kane since he was on the ballot.

    There is NO chance that Clinton would be pulled from the ballot for health reasons.
     
  9. EggKiller

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    Can't help it. We miss gorn.
     
  10. Zorro

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    If she withdraws the DNC can select a new candidate as long as they do it before the ballots are printed and mailed. But with early voting that date comes very quickly in several states.
     
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    We've got a couple hundred to go to catch up with Gorn.

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    Maybe this is her brilliant plan to get out of the debates.
     
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    Lol, you going to be OK? You seem worried.
     
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    If a candidate dies, withdraws or otherwise becomes incapacitated before the general election but after they've secured the nomination, it's a relatively simple fix: The deceased candidate's party picks a replacement (who may or may not be the vice presidential candidate from the former ticket), and that replacement is on the ballot for Election Day.
     
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    This OP makes no sense at all. An English course, perhaps? Good luck to you.
     
  15. jackdog

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    I think she has to drop voluntarily, I have a extremely hard time believing that will happen though unless this is soimething more serious that what we have been told

    the procedures for replacement for those who care


    https://ballotpedia.org/State_laws_and_party_rules_on_replacing_a_presidential_nominee

    The procedures that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) would follow if the Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton dropped out of the race are a bit simpler than the RNC's. The chair of the DNC is to call a meeting, and the DNC holds the authority to elect a replacement nominee by majority vote.

    Article 2, section 1 of the Rules and Bylaws of the Democratic Party states that the DNC has the authority to fill vacancies in the nominations for president and vice president. "The Democratic National Committee shall have general responsibility for the affairs of the Democratic Party between National Conventions, subject to the provisions of the Charter and to the resolutions or other official actions of the National Convention. This responsibility shall include, but not be limited to ... Filling vacancies in the nominations for the office of the President and Vice President," reads Article 2.1(c).

    Article 2, section 7 states, " a special meeting to fill a vacancy on the National ticket shall be held on the call of the Chairperson, who shall set the date for such meeting in accordance with the procedural rules provided for in Article Two, Section 8(d) of these Bylaws." Article 2, section 8(d) reads, "all questions before the Democratic National Committee shall be determined by majority vote of those members present and voting in person or by proxy."
     
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    Probably as many as you will respond to.
     
  17. SillyAmerican

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    Is it really that straight forward? You make it sound easy; I suspect that's not the case.

    What would happen to all the early votes cast for the candidate? Would they effectively be invalidated? I think this would be a real mess...
     
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    Presidential Death During the Election Process - "No presidential candidate of a major party has ever died or withdrawn before a presidential election and no President-elect has ever died or withdrawn after winning the general election, but before taking office.

    However, one vice-presidential candidate died after he was nominated, but before the general election, and another dropped off his party's ticket.

    The procedures for finding replacements for candidate vacancies are guided by federal and state laws and party regulations. They are not exactly a patchwork, but they have evolved in response to practical problems that have arisen during the presidential elections, and in response to the growth of political parties as integral players in the election process."

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    Also see; What Happens if a Presidential Candidate Dies?
     
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    In 1972 Thomas Eagleton was involuntarily removed as vice president 18 days after being chosen when it was discovered he failed to disclose mental health issues to the DNC
     
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    Yes, but as I suspected, such a scenario is fraught with problems, and would end up in the Supreme Court...

     
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    Consider this, A candidate wins the national election but leaves (for whatever reason) before the electoral college votes, the onus is then on the college to make that decision. The college members take oaths (but do not swear) they will vote for a specific candidate. However, with that candidate gone, they are no longer held to that oath. That invites a lot of problems not so easily remedied.
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  22. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But isn't that how the process already works anyways, the DNC picks who will be the Democrat Presidential nominee a year or so before the DNC convention ? That's what the hacked DNC e-mails revealed.

    The Democrat primaries are a sham. Bernie wins primaries but Clinton got the delegates.
     
  23. jackdog

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    no one is implying that it would not be a mess, early voting is a great point, I would expect the election date to be set back to early January if that situation occurs. It would have to be held before Obama's term expires, there is no doubt about that. If it were whoever is the Speaker of the House at 11:59 am Jan 20, 2017 would be interim PoTUS
     
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    There's no Constitutional crisis and Hillary Clinton could still be elected even if she dies before the election. In that case Tim Kaine would be sworn in as president because he's the VP candidate.
     
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    no it wouldn't. In the event of a death pre election then a substitute chosen by the dnc or RNC candidate would be named as a replacement. Post election and pre swear in then the 12th and 25th amendments would come into play and the normal rules of succession apply
     

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