The US gun death problem

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Vegas giants, Oct 28, 2016.

  1. Vegas giants

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    And you are entitled to that opinion. Perhaps the next GOP candidate for president will run on that platform, I appreciate your honesty
     
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    What a load, you spew liberal thought (simplistic concrete thinking) at its absolute worst. There is not much of gun death problem with Whites in America. For Blacks and to a lesser extent, that's not true. Go the border of the country calling itself Mexico and that goes up to epidemic levels . You can't and won't identify the populations at risk because they are fellow libs.
     
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    I really think others in the GOP agree with you. If you think it is fine that blacks are being slaughtered in this country and are ok with that I just wish the GOP would say that. You could be there leader
     
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    I used to care, now I don't. Just look at the recent violence against college students in Philly or the interracial crime rate. The left is teaching Black America to hate Whites and it's obvious that groups such as BLM want an armed conflict to start. But I'll give you an anecdotal example. If your car broke down in my town, you'd get help. You could even leave your belongings in your car unlocked and no one would bother them. Do the same in Chicago, B-more, Gary, Philly etc and see what would happen. As far as I'm concerned it's their problem now. They don't want my help and wouldn't accept it if offered.
     
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    At least you are honest about it. You want black americans to kill each other because it is better for the country. OK. Lets see how much support you get. It may be more than you think.
     
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    Wrong, you said "want" but I did not. What a typical liberal ploy. I did say I didn't care. I'll also venture it's nature's way of thinning the herd. However if you stop and look at it, just think how many Black lives it might save in the end. Do you really think someone like Trayvon Martin was going to be an astronaut. He was a burglar and would be thug who got his ticket punched early. There's no telling how much harm he would have done over a lifetime. And then there is Freddie Gray, a convicted drug dealer. How much grief did he inflict upon his community. You can't help people who won't help themselves. American Blacks are rapidly becoming hard wired to drink the liberal Cool-Aid and it will take them back to the stone age in the process. I have no desire to go with them or their liberal leaders.
     
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    I apologize. You do not care that black people are being slaughtered. You consider it a public service since they are likely to cause more harm to society. Did I get it right this time? I would not want to misstate your position.
     
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    Please, my position is well stated and not your redacted version. And according to you Freddie Grey's demise was a huge loss to the city of Baltimore.
     
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    I'm sure it was a huge loss to his family. But you consider that a public service. Those are your words. And now you own them
     
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    And the world is a better place. Money says criminality runs in the family as well. Only a liberal would beatify a convicted drug dealer and mourn his passing. No wonder liberalism is a path to societal suicide. Speaking of his family, they would be likely to have turned him in for a token crime stopper reward and free meal if it was offered.
     
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    If we could just get rid of those very inconvenient courts.....then this public service could really take off. Right?
     
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    Those are your words. Besides with catch and release and a dismal homicide clearance rate, the courts aren't much of a factor anymore.
     
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    Here are your words:

    Hell, there's not enough gun deaths in America.
     
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    And yet deadly criminals, those who do kill innocents are coddled in liberal America. With low IQ, no impulse control and a total lack of future time orientation what are you and your liberal buddies going to do with the inner city bangers? Why don't you adopt one and bring him/her home and live what you preach? Just another example of why liberal thought is societal suicide.
     
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    Here are your words:

    Hell, there's not enough gun deaths in America.
     
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    And yet LEO are now castrated and cannot do their jobs which includes deadly force. Go figure.
     
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    I don't care if a. Drug dealer, robber, or rapist gets his ticket punched any more than if a smoker gets cancer or an alcoholic loses his liver. It would suck if it's someone I care about, but it's a choice they made and they'll have to live with the consequences of their actions just like we all do.

    While we are restricting guns, why don't we limit unhealthy food to those not overweight, alcohol and drugs to those that agree to be incarcerated while they are under the influence, and take away medical care from those who smoke cigarettes? After all, obesity, alcohol, and drugs kill far more people than guns. Alcohol even kills more innocent people than guns and alcohol has no useful purpose. Let's repeal the 21st amendment.
     
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    I have a strong feeling that I personally will not be killed in a mass shooting of cheeseburgers
     
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    I think we could learn from Australia- they had a mass shooting and then made their gun laws much stricter, and it worked to reduce both accidental gun deaths and gun murders. Any hunter is still able to get a shotgun after reasonable background checks and training.

    We prefer a wild west mentality for guns, and puritan prohibition for marijuana and sometimes alcohol. At least most states greatly raised the taxes for tobacco, to help pay for all the stupid tobacco addicts needing more health care later in life.

    A few areas in California have new taxes for corn syrup drinks on the ballot- make the crappy harmful stuff cost more.

    The gun nuts did this to themselves from hoarding, because of the crazy idea that Obama was going to take their guns and bullets (only for Russian made weapons as a sanction for their recent invasions). They will probably have the same stupid idea if Billary wins.
     
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    Prepare for an onslaught of personal insult
     
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    And yet I am paying for their health care.

    I've lost 3 friends to illegal aliens drunk driving. I know that for 2 of them, the killer jumped bail and fled to Mexico. This was 30 years ago, before extradition was settled. He is still free if he is still alive. My friends weren't drinking. The first 2 were pulling out of our college parking lot. I had spoke to them and left an hour earlier. The other was a grandmother returning home from visiting grandkids at Christmas. I'd call them all innocent victims.

    Just for full disclosure, I've lost 3 friends to the use of guns. One was a security guard who was shot 8 times for telling someone they had to move their broken down car off of the property and offering to call a tow truck. The killer had a long rap sheet and obviously did not own the gun legally. The other 2 were suicides. Yes, it devastated our families, but it was their selfish decision and I resent them for it. At least they didn't hurt anybody else physically.
     
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    No insults here, however many of the preceding comments, especially those highlighted make no sense, why ? Let's see, Hmmmmmmm....

    First off Australia is mentioned, yet there is no real proof ever given except blind statistics that those Gun Laws had any substantial effect in Eliminating a cause, one thing is true, many Australians are quite vocal or at least apathetic when it comes to firearms, and perhaps this is why such measures passed without much resistance as Australians really do not see firearms as necessary.
    There is nothing for me to learn from Australian Gun Control except that I do not want it here in the U.S.

    Next, a Wild West mentally is mentioned, that has never been an issue here, such was predicted when State after State began to implement Shall issue concealed carry permits to Law Abiding Citizens, so far it has been successful with few bad incidents.

    What has always been true is People that do not obey Laws, such as Minorities running high wild in inner city slums selling Drugs and pimping Prostitots and shooting people wholesale, is this what is meant by a Wild West attitude ?
    Call it a Wild Minority attitude or mentality and you have yourself a deal !!!

    Now hoarding, how is that bad or illegal ?
    If a person expects prices to go up, buying more of something is wrong ?
    I don't follow that reasoning.

    And last, bans and Restrictions on the importation of various firearms accomplished nothing except to deprive us of some classic types of firearms.
    And it also fomented Domestic production of some models.

    Liberals usually get most things wrong anyway, especially Politically motivated issues.
    Emotional hyperbole and Histrionics over substance and fact.
     
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    I love it. OrlandoChuck lays out the solution and this is all that VG takes away from it. Where did OC even say "legalize ALL drugs"? VG, get to an eye doctor for new reading glasses.
     
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    Which is interesting since in the 19th century there were some State legislatures who were usurping the 2A when it came to bearing concealed arms. They thought it more noble and manly to bear arms openly, rather than concealed, to defend oneself.
     
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    No argument from me on that account, however, people seem to be affrighted if they see a holstered firearm on someone's belt, hence the idea that concealed carry may be better to avoid scaring the grass eating folks.
     

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