Clinton’s critics know she’s guilty, just trying to decide what she's guilty of

Hilary is more racist and bigoted than anyone, including trump.

 

Um ...you claimed I was being "disingenuous" for saying government employees are allowed to delete personal emails. I pointed out that they ARE allowed to do so, and it is not disingenuous to say so. I never claimed that it was legal to do so if the emails in question are under subpoena -- although even then, it would depend on the subpoena. If it was limited to work-related emails, then only those emails are required to be saved.

Your question ASSUMES there was something nefarious in those emails that required deletion. It's an unsupported assumption.

And I already gave you an example of why it would be in the IT worker's own interest to delete the emails -- because he was supposed to have done it months before, and forgot to.

Covering. His. Ass. This doesn't seem like a hard concept.

How was it "obviously" in her best interest to have them disappear? You, again, are assuming the emails contain something damaging. Without evidence. Again.

He pleaded the Fifth on every single question, including "have you been interviewed by the FBI?" You are trying to gin up a conspiracy out of nothing.

As for the conference call: I would expect such a call related to the subpoena, since even after the deletion, emails newer than 60 days would have been retained. So you might expect a call with the lawyer, who would lay out what needed to be produced, and how.

It also makes sense that shortly after that the IT employee would have had his "oh (*)(*)(*)(*)" moment, as he realized that the older emails were still there.

You see only nefarious explanations. You ignore the existence of obvious workaday explanations.

No, it doesn't.

Indeed, consider this. If these emails were so damaging, why did Clinton and her staff leave them on a third-party server, where an entire company of engineers had access to them? Why, having asked that emails older than 60 days be deleted, did they not follow up and make SURE they were deleted?

Every action by Clinton staffers indicates they had no worries about the emails. There is no sense of urgency or importance to their handling of them.

Clinton's staff went to no lengths at all in this instance.

Clinton is famously protective of her privacy -- understandable, given 35 years of being hounded by conservative asshats. That, I think, explains many of her decisions around her email. It does not suggest she had anything significant to hide.

 

No leader or teacher has ever failed to lie to you. You want to judge one, look at what they accomplished. In his first few yeas, Obama was a bad president. He got better (surprisingly fast). If he came into office with more experience, he may have been a great president. As is, we've had a lot worse.



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Why would he lie about knowing about the server? He communicated on it, he KNEW it existed, but said he didn't? WHY?

 

No kidding.

Pretty much all of the RW Fever Swamp BS, that is flooding social media, is just delusional wishful thinking on behalf of Trump's LOSING campaign.

Everything from selective editing (out of context) of Michael Moore and Chris Matthews to completely MISCHARACTERIZE their words, to the daily RW misinformation campaign to wallpaper social media with unsourced Fake News.

If Trump told them the Sun Rose in the West and 1+1=3, they would be spamming PF with 50 threads about it.

Heard it at Infowars, Gotta be true!

PS--Expect a lot more DESPERATION from Trump's followers over the next week.

 

I communicate on many servers that I don't know all the details of... this one for example.



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First presidential campaign you've followed?



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This is one, and you KNOW you use it. Would you go out and say, nope, I have no clue what PF is and never posted there.

 

That's exactly what I wrote in 2008 before the election of Barack Hussein Obama.. Look at what he given us since January 21, 2009. Obamacare, retreat from Iraq, a failed Afghan policy with the equivalent number of GI casualties of Iraq, The Arab Spring, Libya, Benghazi, Syria, the birth of ISIS, the capitulation of America to Iran, Russian aggression, and China flexing it's muscles in the Pacific..

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

See (f) (1).

Regardless of what Comey implied in July, it is a crime (felony) to not guard classified information through gross negligence. Based on the amount of classified information that has been certified by intelligence agencies as being classified, Hillary is guilty of that.

 

I might say I have no clue what Bill Jones server is and I don't think I have ever posted on it. *shrug* And if someone corrected me, I might acknowledge the correction and also say I don't really care whether I was right or wrong in that statement—I have more important things to worry about.



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While it was a tragedy, I do agree the terrorists are to blame for Benghazi not the admin. I blame the administration for trying to lie to us afterwards by claiming that the youtube video caused the violence, not a mob of jihadists. I feel that the administration purposefully lied to us for the purpose of winning the election.

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Which mess should GHW Bush (Bush 41) have had to clean up? GW Bush (Bush 43) had a second term, did you think he needed a third term to fix thing?

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Neither.

 

Hardly.

#1, "Gross negligence" is a high hurdle to reach. That's why it is "gross" negligence.

#2, most of the stuff in Hillary's emails were not classified at the time it was sent/received.

#3, The small fraction of that that WAS classified was not marked as such.

#4, The small fraction of THAT that WAS marked classified was marked very obscurely

#5, most of what WAS marked was improperly classified anyway, and Clinton would have known it because it dealt with day-to-day stuff she was familiar with, like talking points.

If people sent Clinton unmarked classified material, that's on them, not Clinton.

But for the most part, what you see in Clinton's emails is what happens when you have a culture of overclassification, classified communications systems are cumbersome, and people have to do their jobs. It happens all over government. The problem is the overclassification, which erodes respect for the classification system, and makes shortcuts necessary in order to get work done.

Never mind that different agencies disagreed on what should be classified, so an email that originated as unclassified at State might later be classified by another agency. Not because the other agency is right and State is wrong, but because classification is a judgement call in most non-military cases.

 

Excellent post. Thanks.

 

When her continuous lies are stopped....

 

"She has terrible judgment, she is constantly in trouble, I don't think her election would serve the Nation well. We have serious problems and frankly this woman is, and always has been, a hot mess."

That is a position that requires an elaborate defense? You can't be serious.

 

Total apologetics. At least 22 of the emails were Top Secret. TS isn't taken lightly.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/22-hillary-clinton-emails-declared-top-secret-218420

 

As your story notes, they were not marked classified when they were sent. And the State Department strongly disagreed with many of the classifications, which were made retroactively by the State Department IG reviewing the emails for release.

 

In the context of the Clinton case you were being disingenuous just as you even now are being disingenuous. Outside of habit I really don't see the point.
You know Clinton's emails were a different matter yet you post all government employees can delete private communications knowing full well that
wasn't the case with Madame Secretary.

Like I said before, unless procrastination at work was a federal crime there was absolutely zero reason for him to stonewall the FBI. Yet he did. Who hides what doesn't need to be hidden? What did he have to worry about?
My link from the Denver Post posits the question precisely: "An errant engineer decides on his own volition to delete e-mails from her private account after a congressional committee orders them preserved?"

It's YOU who are claiming the IT tech should have deleted the 33,000 emails months earlier. That's not necessarily the truth, however.

See my previous comment.

I guess I'm "assuming" that because Clinton emails were to be retained and then Hillary had them deleted.

It's far from nothing and the fact that this guy would say absolutely nothing at all, not even on one of the innocuous question you posed, demonstrates this PRN lackey was instructed by Clinton lawyers to say nothing at all.

As stated earlier, did this tech guy "forget" to delete all these emails for months (hardly likely)? That's what you would like people to believe anyway. Or did he delete them once he got a call from Hillary's lawyers?
That would explain why he stonewalled the FBI.

You'd have to ask the staffers that.

Poor Hillary. A victim of the right again. I think I have a tear in my eye.

 

Yet more "I know you are but what am I" churlish nonsense. Keep drinking the koolaid and ignoring facts.

 

My thoughts exactly

 

While it was a tragedy, I do agree the terrorists are to blame for Benghazi not the admin. I blame the administration for trying to lie to us afterwards by claiming that the youtube video caused the violence, not a mob of jihadists. I feel that the administration purposefully lied to us for the purpose of winning the election.

You just admitted that you think that REPUBLICANS should have been able to use that horrific event to win an election. Thanks for the honesty

 

The facts show my statement to be 100 percent correct.

Child.

 

Can This Be true? A pedophile ring on Weiners computer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12zVlaZyX3Q

What say You?

 

No, you didn't express a single fact, you merely made a definitive statement of your opinion. Now if you had some supporting facts to back up your specious accusation, I'd be entirely receptive to changing my opinion.