Australian Shooter's Thread

LeftRightLeft · Nov 11, 2016

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Ya just need to look around to see that more guns in society is a bad idea. Not in the least that it makes the Police have to act much more aggressively to proactively secure any involvement with citizens. They allow rapid escalation of violence beyond anything else, because they are designed to kill and do so quickly.

So despite making fearful people feel less fearful, the main claim is that if everyone has one then the crim will not bother. Well that idea of mutual protection is irrelevant to drugged up loonies who are irrational, and ignores that the crim will always get the drop because they decide the when of when it goes down, and that it can be committed from a moving vehicle which mitigates any mutual defence capability, or it can be ranged fires which again reduces the capacity of mutual defence. The biggest problem of mutual defence is that it empowers citizens with the belief they have the training to react properly in those circumstances. The last thing Police want when there is a gun toting criminal is another 5 people shooting at who they think is the criminal, plus of course that it gives a criminal access to more firearms if everyone has one. Its why Police have so many accidental shootings in the US, because they are always running into idiots with guns everyday. Sure there are circumstances where mutual defence works, but given all the other downsides I don't think its worth it by a huge loooong shot.

I think suicides would also go up, perhaps not the number of attempts but the number of successful attempts. In the 20th century I get it, but these days we have better locks, better alarms, stronger doors, social media and more effective Police reaction. There is no doubt it would change the shape of gun crime, but I think we'd see more deaths. Not to mention organized crime would have to increase their level of weapons to keep an advantage over their victims. It's just the ingredients for an arms race, which is why assault rifles are everywhere now in the US and the US Police have to act like a paramilitary force. It is though funny when on one hand some US folk complain about the militarization of the Police and then in the same breath demand they can have assault rifles in their homes. Even the argument about protecting the right to defend themselves is silly... perhaps 100 years ago yea, but these days any military force is not going to be bothered by small militias with assault rifles. Those things are really only personal defence weapons in guerrilla warfare, and not the actual capabilities fielded with any effect. I think they get a distorted view of just how capable a modern military force is by assuming the type of ground operations done overseas in the last 15 years is representative of it - its not, they were war-like Police operations then war operations.
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Some one commented that it was a big day the day I agreed with you. I actually agree with a lot you say, more then I say and much more then you think. My biggest argument with you is some of your nomenclature, your classification system, your rigid ideology and your arrogance about it.

Bowerbird · Nov 11, 2016

Adultmale said: ↑

Yep, such a small percentage. It has never been a big problem. But the fact which you keep dancing around is that the gun laws did not change the already falling rate of homicides.

How many times do I have to say this, 'gun deaths' are irrelevant, it is 'deaths' that count and they have not changed.

Logic? Whose logic? yours? if less guns = less gun related deaths then more guns = more gun related deaths. Sorry, your argument and your logic just got shredded - see my message above about Hunter and Nabiac.

Har har har! your logic is false and as I have pointed out, it is the anti-gun lobby that cherry picks statistics.
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Once again ignoring research which counters your claim. Mate we are not gullible right wing Yankees to believe every conspiracy theory blog around

Adultmale · Nov 12, 2016

Bowerbird said: ↑

Once again ignoring research which counters your claim. Mate we are not gullible right wing Yankees to believe every conspiracy theory blog around
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Really? Pray tell what conspiracy theory I have even mentioned. Once again you demonstrate your irrational and completely off-the-planet stereotyping of gun owners.

LeftRightLeft · Nov 14, 2016

Adultmale said: ↑

Really? Pray tell what conspiracy theory I have even mentioned. Once again you demonstrate your irrational and completely off-the-planet stereotyping of gun owners.
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Yeah, she is a Sheila, she would never understand men with small weapons need big guns to compensate

Steady Pie · Nov 17, 2016

Impressed this thread took off, I forgot about it.

Kudos, PF Australia!

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