The Alt Right is big in the news, but what is it?

I didn't say 20thC conservatism is 'hackneyed', I said using it to insult today's conservatives is hackneyed. Today's conservatives bear little resemblance to last century's, but for some reason Progs aren't aware of that. Even the official political parties representing the left (your Dems, for eg) seem oblivious.

Maybe it's because the ideologue leftist never actually talks to rightists. Ensconced inside the bubble as they are. When you regard those who vote differently to yourself as the greatest trash on earth, you leave yourself wide open to ignorance and stagnation.

 

WOW...what contortions!!! YouTube and 'social media'.......Libbie hall-of-mirrors fantasy-land....Alt-right is nothing more than another Clinton/media creation that was supposed to take out Trump.....Didn't happen then, won't happen now. This garbage will dry up and shrivel.

 

Identical so far as I know to Aristotle Jefferson Buckley and today's Republican's who for example stood for freedom from liberal govt by voting against Obamacare 37 times. Make sense now?

 

There is no stigma placed on "nationalists" unless you believe the scheme of economic globalization to depress wages as low as possible to max out elite profits, is right, good, proper, and correct. For these so called white nationalists are rebelling against this nefarious scheme. Which turns it from stigma into just ordinary common sense. That their anti globalization stance would help all working people, regardless of race, is commendable.

When it becomes a stigma to want prosperity by work, well, there is something badly wrong with the brain that would make this a stigma, something really, really bad. The democrats used to stand up for these white people, when it comes to wages, but when they stopped, it sent these people flocking to trump. Who ran in the party who never cared much about living wages for work done by working people.

We should have black, tan, and white nationalists, but the black and the tan are behind the curve here. Perhaps because of lower IQs? The low IQs voted for Hillary, and of course the upper middle class and upper class voted for her. For they live in bubbles and are not being hurt by globalization, in fact they invest in it to max out their own return on investment.

 

Perhaps to preemptively take out Trump when the term originated in 2008-2009? Come now, put away the tin foil.

 

The stigma is attached specifically to "white nationalist" not "nationalist". The reason the stigma exists is because the MSM like to spin "white nationalist" to mean "white supremacist", you should've picked up on that. No doubt the global trend currently is Nationalism.

 

all are probably bad since they have led to wars between races and nations.This is why Hillary rightly dreamed of open borders wherein the world's people didn't care about races or nations.

The Republican way to get there is through American dominance of world culture as Jefferson intended
The Democrat way is socialism, open borders, and violent race integration.

Can you guess who has the superior method?

 

Here's more:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...white-supremacy-neo-nazis-20161128-story.html

Five myths about the 'alt-right'
Video shows group using Nazi salute to hail President-elect Trump
A newly released video shows some people in a group doing the Hitler salute and yelling "Hail Trump!" after listening to a speech about white nationalism given by Richar Spencer in Washington D.C. Spencer runs the National Policy Institute, a self-described "alt-right" think tank. Nov. 21, 2016. (CBS Miami)
Olivia Nuzzi
Special to The Washington Post
The phrase “alt-right” was conceived as a catchall for various unsavory sub-communities of the anti-establishment conservative right by Richard Spencer. The baby-faced white nationalist founded AlternativeRight.com in 2010 and now serves as president of the National Policy Institute, a Virginia-based think tank that cloaks extremist ideas in airy, academic language. For several years, the movement festered on the periphery of mainstream political discourse on message boards such as 4chan and 8chan, where its acerbic spirit and menacingly goofy aesthetic developed, partially through memes. Now, with the election of its “God Emperor,” Donald Trump, as president, the alt-right has become a subject of fascination — and revulsion — nationwide. Still, confusion about what exactly this group is and how it differs from other types of conservatism abounds. Here are the five most commonly repeated myths.

1 The alt-right is different from regular neo-Nazism.

This movement seems like something new in American politics. “There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared),” Allum Bokhari and alt-right icon Milo Yiannopoulos wrote in Breitbart in March, “but one thing stands out above all else: intelligence.” Hillary Clinton, too, seemed to imagine the alt-right as a fresh phenomenon, calling it an “emerging racist ideology” in an August speech.

While the amorphous term “alt-right” can be helpful for characterizing a certain kind of young white nationalist who's technically savvy and culturally literate, as distinct from the unreconstructed racists and anti-Semites of yore, the distance is shorter than they would have you believe. At a National Policy Institute conference in Washington this month, excited members of the alt-right shouted: “Hail our people! Hail victory!” and Tila Tequila, the Vietnamese-American former reality-TV star who's been praising Hitler on Twitter for the past year, was photographed performing a Nazi salute with two young men. The alt-right is the same old hate, in other words, just with trendier packaging.

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The alt-right isn't only about white supremacy. It's about white male supremacy.
Burying racist and anti-Semitic ideas in fancy language is nothing new, of course. David Duke, the former KKK grand wizard, traded his Klan robe for a suit and now calls himself a “human rights activist.” This is clearly about presenting a more salable front for the persuadable public. But if it salutes like a Nazi, you can safely call it one.

2 The alt-right is a bunch of juvenile pranksters.

A frequent theme among the movement is its insistence on needling the mainstream for giggles. “The alt-right are just adolescent trolls who spout garbage for shock value,” Fox News host Greg Gutfeld told his audience in late August. Meanwhile, NPR described members of the alt-right as those who, “for fun and notoriety ... like to troll, prank and provoke.”

But there's more here than cheeky irreverence. The alt-right's swift ascent occurred in part because its members bombarded journalists, particularly Jewish or nonwhite ones, with racist and anti-Semitic messages and imagery on social media, especially Twitter. There, they praised Hitler with a twinge of irony, the way hipsters drink Pabst Blue Ribbon, and they corrupted the harmless meme Pepe the Frog by dressing him up as a Wehrmacht soldier. They told adversaries they'd be heading to the ovens. It was a real riot.

The alt-right also exists offline. After Trump's win, reports of bias-based crimes have ticked up, and pro-Nazi, racist graffiti have begun appearing across the United States. Meanwhile, one of the movement's purveyors now has the president-elect's ear and will get his own dignified perch in the White House: Until recently, Steve Bannon was the chairman of Breitbart News, which he once proudly called “the platform of the alt-right.”

3 The alt-right is rapidly gaining power and numbers.

Time magazine called the alt-right “a rising movement” in mid-November, echoing The Week, which fretted over the “rise of the alt-right” in October. New York magazine reported in September that the movement was “having a bit of a moment,” the same month The Atlantic predicted that a Trump win “would make the alt-right more powerful than it has ever been.”

The alt-right began online and mostly lives there, where its devotees post to message boards and troll “cucks” (milquetoast conservatives) and “normies” (people with conventional, mainstream views) with such frequency that it can seem as though they're everywhere. But how many people constitute the movement is virtually unknowable. It's a loose and informal congregation: They don't have memberships, and the majority of those who self-identify do so through anonymous accounts.

Easy to quantify, however, was the turnout at the National Policy Institute's recent event in Washington: 275 people — or roughly 3,300 fewer than attended a June convention in Reno, Nev., for people who enjoy, among other pursuits, dressing up in anthropomorphic animal suits. “Alt-right” didn't even win word of the year in the Oxford Dictionaries' annual contest — that prize went to “post-truth.” While the alt-right is real and visible, there's no reason to believe it's a very vast group or one that will stick around for very long.

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Richard Spencer is the carefully crafted face of the so-called alt-right. Two weeks ago, he organized a conference of white nationalists, who celebrated Donald Trump's victory as their own. (Linda Davidson / The Washington Post)
4 Trump doesn’t agree with what the alt-right stands for.

Trump's spokesmen have gone to great lengths to distance him from the alt-right, with a recent statement from Bryan Lanza saying that “President-elect Trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind, and he was elected because he will be a leader for every American.” During a meeting on Nov. 22, Trump told New York Times reporters and editors, “I don't want to energize the (alt-right), and I disavow the group.”

But when Clinton delivered her speech about the alt-right in August, Trump responded not by disavowing the movement but by labeling her a bigot. And outside his post-election comments to the Times, Trump hasn't specifically addressed the alt-right. He has never asked its members to stop editing images of Jewish journalists in gas chambers in his honor. What's more, he has often seemed to wink in alt-right activists’ direction by deploying their rhetoric, with his talk of opposing “globalism,” his repeated retweets of alt-right Twitter accounts and his use of imagery — such as a Star of David illustration — that originated on Nazi websites.

5 The alt-right is just an extension of European nationalist movements.

Nationalist movements are spreading globally, and the alt-right has fans and adherents at home and abroad. Yiannopoulos, one of the most visible faces of the brand, is British. Those posting online under the alt-right banner frequently purport to be from outside America. Bannon has sought to work with Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, of France's National Front, and, according to the Huffington Post, Richard Spencer dreams of “nothing less than a white ethno-empire stretching across North America and Europe.” An analysis in the Guardian said Spencer's views “have almost nothing to do with American political thought.” The alt-right, in this telling, is not a movement of patriotic rubes but a meaningful part of a broader picture of Western populist revolt.

Actually, the alt-right is a very American movement, and we have plenty of historical precedent for fringe right-wing malcontents. When you add up our history of racial segregation, Know-Nothing nativism and right-wing populist movements, it's not hard to see how today's alt-right has plenty to anchor itself to in the American story. It should come as no surprise that a prominent “race-realist” publication that tracks closely with alt-right ideology calls itself “American Renaissance” — which echoes hopes of making America great again.

Washington Post

Olivia Nuzzi is a political reporter for the Daily Beast and a contributor to GQ magazine who has covered Donald Trump for the past 17 months.

 

its actually ctrl left. The left that wants to control what pronouns you use, put safe spaces everywhere etc etc.

 

The left is simply the organized body of neo-Marxists

Neo-Marxists are simply Marxists who learned the lesson of the fall of the Soviet Empire. The Soviets failed because with ownership of the means of production came responsibility for its failure. Neo-Marxists simply replace ownership with total regulation. When something is successful, the regulators bask in the glory but when things fail (often as a result of regulation) the owners are blamed.

 

I may be alone here but I am pretty sure the mainstays of the left have been producing fake news for decades. Remember the Times and the McCain mistress story in 2008?

 

I agree mostly. I always considered them a strawman...the left created them (the idea) so they can destroy them as a monster and pretend they were part of the Trump base.

 

Alt-right (alternative right) is a bunch of racists and extremists.

America had better keep an eye on the same. Fascism would destroy this society; civil war would cause ALL to suffer greatly.

 

Actually, Fascism would unite this country and strengthen it like never before. The centralized State is always preferable to an Oligarchy(money-controlled governments) or democracy(mob-ruled governments.) As a Fascist-Technocrat, I hold that the People and State are one, and when they act as One, their interests will be served.

That businesses would prosper in a sovereign, safe and healthy country is a product of its work, and not necessarily an "intention" but neither is it a drawback. Only class warfare would suggest otherwise. But here's the foolish thing about class warfare: It would thereby prevent Liberalism from engaging in the markets, since "they didn't own that."

Class envy led to restriction, which led to monopoly and the consolidation of power. Nothing's more foolish than class warfare. It's never worked, anywhere and what we learned is that America is no exception.

 

The difference between the two is razor thin...if it exists at all.

 

You'll see the difference in the excellence of our governance in comparison to the failures of both conservatives and liberals. Both deserve each other for their inability to govern America.

 

FAIL...show us the difference (with examples) between white nationalists and white suremacists

 

Since I'm not a "white" nationalist or supremacist, I'm afraid I can't do that. As for being an actual Nationalist, I'd argue it was our Founders original position and the first 100+ so years were filled with trial, error and then ultimately success. If being pro country worked for them, it can work for us again.

 

What nonsense....I suspect the left would laugh if I asked 'show us the difference (with examples) between Marxism and Democrats'. I ask the better question.

 

The definition of the alt right, or the fringe right, is simple and straightforward. It is a segment of people who participate/support in acts of white supremacy, and conspiracy theories (e.g. birtherism). It is a radicalized position on the right, which has gotten a platform for its voice on the conspiracy theory website, Breibart.

 

I know history. I'm not buying your romanticized view of "Fascism"; sorry.

 

That sums it up well enough.

People who think alt-right (or white supremacists) is a good thing... are playing with fire. Destruction is imminent for them and many around them.

 

You know only the parts of history you'd like to look at(the war.) I make no apologies for it. However, Fascism is a superior political system. It's not even in dispute, even those professing democracy admit as much.

 

Superior at what? What is it a political system is supposed to accomplish that makes it superior?

Anyways do you view nationalism and fascism as the same thing? Myself, I am an American (Civic) Nationalist. To me they are not the same.

 

of course if it was you would not be so afraid to say why. What do you learn from your fear?