Couple fined for refusing to host same-sex wedding on their farm

Blacks were banned from restaurants and hotels in the South because many of the patrons would object and they would lose their customers. Is it right or is it wrong since people historically always isolated themselves from others.

I guess it's wrong if it's painful to the person being discriminated against... like the blacks in the South. But that's because of the mores of the society we live in. But what about the owners and their sufferings if they lose their customers and their livelihood? Anyway the law did solve the problem. Blacks were allowed, and the owners had an excuse to service them.

Today there are places that discriminate against people being dressed improperly... or not dressed at all. Do you think the feelings of those people should be taken into consideration, and then again what about drunks who are kicked out? Should their feelings be taken into account?

So just how far do we go in taking away the rights of the home owners... especially when it comes to religious rights? Isn't there an amendment that protects people's religious faith from the Federal and State governments?

 

Your argument is lame.. We have the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights.. We have civil rights.... Liberty Ridge Farms is a BUSINESS.

 

Public property is owned by the city or state. When someone owns property then it is private ...regardless of whether they are using it for business. Hey, this is not a communist country... although I must admit some people are trying their darnest to make it one.

 

Hell no as in hell no and that had been all settle in the 1950s during the civil right movement.

They can have a business that offer weddings locations to everyone or not run such a business.

 

What it is going to take for all people to finally accept that homosexuals are a distinctly different race people?

 

So you wish to go back to the 1950s how nice for you but this matter had been settle law since the 1950s

 

false equivalency

people are born black, they do not choose to be black. People are born white, they do not choose to be white.

people choose to have gay-sex, they are not born wanting some gay-sex.

until such time as there is a medical test to prove "born homosexual" , it can only be treated as a sexual lifestyle choice. That gives it perspective when done that way.

 

Gays are NOT a race......

 

The is the view of many so-called progressives: You either follow their values and be within the American capitalistic economic system - or you have the option to have your own beliefs for which you are to be banned from employment and starve to death - your choice.

 

Here is one Christian's idea about haw to handle such cases in his response to this same court ruling:

http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/christians-heres-solution-to-gays-suing-your-businesses/

 

Are you saying that conservatives don't believe in civil rights?

 

seriously??????

who ran the Indians from their land?

Who fought for keeping slaves?

Who was against the woman's vote?

Who placed the Japanese into internment camps?

Who fought against civil rights in the 60's ?

The answer to all is ................Democrats

your party; own it

 

I am not a Democrat.. and this is 2016...............

 

That shouldn't make any difference whatsoever.

 

yup it's 2016 and conservatives are still fighting for the rights of all

it would seem that the Democrat party is still the Democrat party doing what they did, do, and apparently always will do.

 

Seig Heil!

 

That state seems to have decided it does. People can be bigots, that's their right. They can't always carve up main street to fit their bigotry.

If the Giffords never put that farm into the public space, they would have had no problems. If they were more discreet about their prejudice, they wouldn't have been fined.

The Giffords put out a shingle and made their private farm a public accommodation. Then blocked someone — by their own admission — from using that public accommodation because they were gay. That action asserts gay people are not part of the public of that state. That is where they crossed the line and why they were fined.



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they rented the space for profit, if no profit was involved they could do as they like

 

You can put up a sign in your business that says, No shoes, No shirt, No service.

But you can't say No Jews, no blacks, no gays... This isn't Nazi Germany. As an American you should cherish and defend civil rights for all.

 

Here are some examples

–1939:

1933

March 31
Decree of the Berlin city commissioner for health suspends Jewish doctors from the city’s charity services.

April 7
Law for the Reestablishment of the Professional Civil Service removes Jews from government service.

April 7
Law on the Admission to the Legal Profession forbids the admission of Jews to the bar.

April 25
Law against Overcrowding in Schools and Universities limits the number of Jewish students in public schools.

July 14
De-Naturalization Law revokes the citizenship of naturalized Jews and “undesirables.”

October 4
Law on Editors bans Jews from editorial posts.

1935

May 21
Army law expels Jewish officers from the army.

September 15
Nazi leaders announce the Nuremberg Laws.

1936

January 11
Executive Order on the Reich Tax Law forbids Jews to serve as tax-consultants.

April 3
Reich Veterinarians Law expels Jews from the veterinary profession.

October 15
Reich Ministry of Education bans Jewish teachers from public schools.

1937

April 9
The Mayor of Berlin orders public schools not to admit Jewish children until further notice.

1938

January 5
Law on the Alteration of Family and Personal Names forbids Jews from changing their names.

February 5
Law on the Profession of Auctioneer excludes Jews from this occupation.

March 18
The Gun Law excludes Jewish gun merchants.

April 22
Decree against the Camouflage of Jewish Firms forbids changing the names of Jewish-owned businesses.

April 26
Order for the Disclosure of Jewish Assets requires Jews to report all property in excess of 5,000 reichsmarks.

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https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007459

 

It is a privately owned business, it is not a state owned business so how can you say it is a public place? As for the Constitution, it specifies that the government cannot hinder the practice of ones religious faith. If the owner's religious faith does not allow him to facilitate the committing of a sin, then by forcing him to do so would go against the freedom of religion clause.

Margo this has nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything about the government taking away people's freedoms.

 

Open to the public does not mean owned by the public. You can post signs "No Christians allowed" on your own private property. The moment you open a business and invite the public, you don't get to refuse service to others based on their beliefs while enjoying legal protection for your own. Get a soap box and condemn homosexuality all you want. The moment you open a business, point your righteous finger at a gay person and say "We don't serve your kind here!" you have denied others the same freedom you have come to enjoy here is the USA.

 

If the Giffords raised their own vegetables and then decided to sell a few along the street it would become a business. Does this mean they have lost all rights to their property... not to mention in this case their religious freedom as well.

Seems like some are trying to turn our country into the Soviet Union ...and I damn well know who those 'ideologues' are.

 

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You want to take away people's freedom and discriminate against gays.

Liberty Ridge Farm is a private business with a business license.

Do you even know what it means to be an American?

 

I think you have blurred the line between a person and a business. As a person, you have a right to decide who to invite into your home. If you don't like black people, the law cannot force you let them in. A business is prohibited by law from discriminating based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. If you don't like black people, you may not use your business to discriminate against them.

When it comes down to it, you believe in protecting beliefs as long as you agree with them.