China chokes under heavy smog with worse ahead

Fossil fuel can buy used very dirty to as clean as possible. China is on the very dirty end of the scale while America is on the clean as possible end of the scale. As an old environmentalist myself before the movement was corrupted by politics and AGW it's interesting for me to hear new age so called environmentalist sing the praises of nuclear power. It used to be stopping nuke was job one but now nuke has become quite fashionable with everything based on the C02 Boogeyman these days. How times change.

 

I agree but until that time comes we don't need to make dumbass economy wrecking deals with them. We need to keep plodding along doing as we have been doing the last 50 years, making slow steady progress at being cleaner and greener.

 

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No, it won't.
They are communist and don't care about their people.

 

The reason to off-shore jobs to China is not to import to the US. The reason is to be competitive in Southeast Asia and globally. If there is a surplus of goods that can be imported to the US, then US consumers benefit.

 

I've said it for years -- CHINA has a big smog problem in a number of its cities. INDIA has a severe problem in several of its large cities also. Therefore, CHINA, INDIA, and perhaps some other countries have significant filthy air problems. BUT, the United States is no longer one of them!

Yet, in spite of that, radical Democrats have been trying to cram this "global warming" nonsense down Americans' throats all during the Obama years, hoping to shut down all the clean-burning coal power plants and leverage huge "carbon taxes" on our backs. As far as the United States goes, this is all CRAP. We did have several American cities with smog problems (our Colorado city of Denver was one of them) back in the 1970's, but we've cleaned all that up with modern technologies many years ago.

I've posted it so many times, but I'll do it again -- CARBON DIOXIDE MAKES UP 0.039% OF THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE! Carbon Dioxide is an organic compound that is NECESSARY for life on this planet! CHINA and INDIA need to clean up their smog problem, and it can be done! We did, so why can't they...?

.There it is... 0.039% -- that's the big, bad carbon dioxide bug-a-boo.... -- "We're all gonna die! RUN!"

 

Why are you writing about carbon dioxide when the thread is about smog?

 

"Volatile organic compounds (VOC) means any compound of carbon, excluding carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, carbonic acid, metallic carbides or carbonates and ammonium carbonate, which participates in atmospheric photochemical reactions, except those designated by EPA as having negligible photochemical reactivity" Link: https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-qual...ew-volatile-organic-compounds#classifications

BUT -- carbon dioxide is the more prominent "whipping boy" for the hysterical, hyperliberal Left, who think that by exacting "carbon taxes" from Americans, and by shutting down all of our coal-burning power plants (thus causing skyrocketing utility bills for all of us), we can somehow eliminate the horrible smog problem in China and India. That is how their minds actually work....

BTW, coal power in the United States accounted for 39% of the country's electricity production in 2014.

. "Who cares? Government welfare pays for my utility bills...."

 

Indeed. Off-topic and wrong. "Carbon Dioxide is an organic compound" is wrong on both counts. Not organic and not a compound. Looks like there's no signal in all that noise.

 

China is horrible and Merica is great cause we export our pollution to China.

 

Again, why are changing the subject from Smog to global climate change? Smog is localised, global weather changes are, well, global and is effected by gases such as carbon dioxide.

There is no such thing as clean coal - just one is not so 'dirty' as the other

 

It is hypocritical of the west to complain about China's pollution. As a per person basis, the west has a higher pollutant figure. We even export our 'recyclable rubbish collections' to China which are then buried.

 

We have a higher CO2 figure. CO2 is invisible and not what you see in Chinas air.

 

Well, when we were industrializing we didn't have a clue as to the effects of what we were pumping into our atmosphere. China knows exactly what those effects are.

 

Let's abolish our EPA and become more like China. And wreck the rest of our government, too....every alt-right fanatic's dream.

 

To the ignorant, hyperliberal masses "perception is reality", and that was what I was trying to illustrate by citing the statistic that Carbon Dioxide is only a microscopic part of our planet's atmosphere. I was also illustrating how the same ignorant, hyperliberal masses think that taxing the living hell out of Americans is going to change anything in either China or India. Their deceitful, manipulative "thought-police" tell them things that are pure conjecture and/or nonsense, and they gulp it down as fast as it's fed to them....

"Clean coal" is so-named because today's bleeding-edge electrostatic exhaust scrubbers are so good that pollution from burning it is cut way down to easily acceptable levels -- except to the deceitful, manipulative "thought-police", who keep on reducing the standards down to levels that are drastic and insanely excessive. You may not think that there's such a thing as "clean coal", but when you see the astounding difference between pollution levels in the mid-1970's and today in American cities that have coal-fired energy plants, even you would have to admit that those electrostatic scrubbers are doing a hell of a fine job!

The ultimate answer to energy needs? Of course, it's HYDROGEN FUSION! But which toilet did Obama flush hundreds of millions of dollars down? Scams like Solyndra! Hyperlibs want us to spend R&D money on everything from failed solar projects to discovering new and inventive ways to burn "bio-mass" when we should be spending ALL of our money on hydrogen fusion! In the meantime, we should burn clean coal! We have hundreds of cubic miles of it in the ground right here in the United States, right under our noses. But the hyperliberal Left always has its "nose" in the air -- trying to sniff out horrible levels of man-killing pollution in American skies that DON'T HAVE ANY!

Well... maybe except for Los Angeles. And the sooner the San Andreas breaks and plunges that whole thing into the ocean, the better!

. "I could give you some methane gas, but it'd probably KILL ya!"

 

State law wouldn't allow it even without the EPA.

 

And yet the US survived and prospered, so it's not like the effects are terminal. China will survive and prosper, too.

Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

 

Actually you can. The knowledge we didn't have when we were industrializing, the technology we didn't have, is now all available to China. They've made a choice, to sacrifice the peoples health, to gain a point or two in GDP.

 

What do you think makes "real pollution"?

Yes, welcome to your future if Trump gets his way. Were it not for the bleeding-heart liberals, the US would be just as bad. I can still remember days in S Cal being so bad we weren't allowed to go outside - called 3rd stage smog alerts back then. And they were common. I've seen smog in LA so thick that you couldn't see the foothills less than a half a mile away. Just living in the San Fernando Valley was equivalent to smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. Those days are gone now and the entire smog warning system was rescaled. Conditions had improved so much as to make the old scale obsolete. Darn liberals!!!

[PS. Lots of Bald Eagles again too. They were very nearly extinct. Darn liberals!]

 

Substances that are harmful to man or nature. What you exhale with every breath is not such a substance.

 

Well, first Nixon enacted the Clean air Act. And second, CO2 "pollution" is much worse today in LA than it was in the 70s and 3rd, DDT that was wiping out the eagles was also regulated under Nixons administration.

 

C02 is not real pollution and that is the reason why I'm fine with bugging out on the purely political agenda of the Paris climate fiasco.

 

You are confusing global climate change with localised pollution. No one linked to climate change refers to CO2 as pollution

 

I'm constantly amazed how uninformed my leftist opponents in here are.

"Administrator Lisa P. Jackson announced this morning she would resign as head of the agency after the president's State of the Union Address.

Jackson was the first federal official to declare carbon dioxide a pollutant. On Dec. 7 2009, as expectations grew for the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference, Jackson signed an endangerment finding that asserted carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases pose a threat to human health when concentrated in the atmosphere.

The endangerment finding gave EPA the power to regulate those gases even if Congress failed to pass laws to address climate change—which Congress subsequently failed to do."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcm...ared-carbon-dioxide-a-pollutant/#24912e41378f

 

Actually, they HAD to consider it a pollutant to bring it under the authority of the EPA. You exhale pollution.