"Mexico will pay for the wall" - what are you waiting for, Mr President?

But you know that majority of these illegals or aliens called too are not coming about this still heavy protected border to Mexico, which still looks like Berlin Wall in Cold War as for example in San Diego?
And will be interesting ... with realistic digits and working brain ... how much this wall would cost to build and to serve and when this will be finished.
Even if Trump will be re-relected ... it is usual behavior in the USA that the follower of a President if being from other political side, cancels much of his predecessor.
Aside this ... I have more as doubts that this balance will work how he will finance this wall at least.

And at least. he should stop telling this BS slogan "Mexico will pay for the wall" again and again ... because the country of Mexico pays not a single Cent for it at least! Then no confusion is given ... but let his election promise look lesser awesome then.

 

I agree. His idea of what makes a person a liberal is wacky. There are alot of radical liberals these days. But he is a radical on the opposite side.

 

Why do Libs always take everything so literally? No one thought that Trump would start building the wall on Day 1 and anyone who thinks that is either VERY naive or stupid. The wall is a priority.(hence the Day 1 comment) I don't think that anyone believes that Mexico is just going to write a blank check. Not having a wall has benefitted Mexico greatly, and they have taken advantage of the US for way too long. There are different ways that Trump can squeeze the money out of them. They just have to decide which method is the best. Nieto has a very low approval rating and so he HAS to stand up to Trump. It won't help in the long run, but he has to try to survive politically.

 

So as a presidential candidate he was so ignorant of the legislative process that he made promises that were impossible to keep? And he should get a pass because he wanted to run for the highest office in the land without knowing what powers it had (and didn't have).

"Don't criticise him - he didn't know what he was doing!"

 

I'm not a lib, just so you know.

I didn't think he would start building a wall on day 1 (although he did promise it); I actually think he is keeping that part of his promise by taking action towards building a wall within a few days of becoming president.

What I take issue with is the fact that he also said he would take action to make Mexico pay on day 1. Here is what he said:

He said he would do that on day 1. He isn't doing anything. If he was prepared for this he would be setting out his proposals, whether they be executive action or legislative action, in parallel with getting the wall built. But he isn't. This is just another of his "I'll do it tomorrow" promises. Like releasing his tax returns. Manana.

 

I think Day 1 means that it is a high priority. This is really only his 4th working day as president. I think he has crammed a lot into 3 days, don't you? More than Obama did in his entire 8 years! This is something that will take some time because Mexico is not going to do this willingly(unless they are stupid). They will have to be cajoled, but I believe Trump is the one to "make them see the light." From what I have read, there are several options on the table. Remember, he doesn't even have his Cabinet yet because of Democrat obstruction...

 

According to his campaign promise it will take 3 days.

The point is not how long it will take. The point is that he is starting one thing without starting the other.

 

I don't care if Mexico pays for it. It was a great campaign line. Where do I send the check?

 

No, feel free to criticise the President all you want, just don't make completely ridiculous statements that start off with "the only explanation is ..." and continue on to provide a bogus explanation. If you do that, I'll call you on it.

 

The “dirty little secret” about the wall is that the land has to be acquired from, likely, 1,000 entities. For example, undoubtedly, the City of El Paso likely owns 20-30 miles of riverfront land. You have to acquire that from the City of El Paso. They may have plans for that land and have done improvements…draining, scenic overlook, since the last evaluation. So it’s not a matter of cutting a check and sending in the bull dozers. The City attorney will object saying, “We had a bond referendum that funded project X. The bonds were supposed to be paid back through us selling the improved land at a premium. Now we can’t.” So the price likely goes higher. And that will be repeated in every border town in some form or fashion. Then there are people who live on the river, you going to take their homes? Great. The States own thousands of acres….how do you compensate them?

It’s a hornets nest that is just waiting to sting whomever messes with it.

 

Fair enough. I will accept his ignorance of the legislative process and his ineptitude as another possible explanation for his delay in making Mexico pay for the wall.

 

Yeah, great idea - let's start a war of words with our second biggest trading partner over Trump's monument to his ego.
How many millions of US jobs go down the tubes when Mexico refuses to accept our exports?
Trump spent 18 months promising his wall, never thinking that he was going to have to deliver. Now he's backed into a corner and his ego won't let him admit that it was just a silly talking point.

 

Either that or it wasn't simply a silly talking point. Doesn't really matter to the people who would like to see our immigration situation brought under control, the wall is going to go up. And if Mexico wants to stop accepting our exports, they will also be made to stop accepting the cash that gets sent their way from people here illegally. See, if you manage to tick off an American leader, there will be consequences. Good luck, Mexico, you're gonna need it...

 

I shouldn't want you to be correct. I should recognize how devastating this project will be for our country and make more of an effort to stop it.

But unfortunately, I have such a strong distaste for Trump and such astonishment at his supporters that I'm willing to watch this disaster play out to its full extent just so that people can see the consequences of their poor decisions. I didn't stop drinking until I lost my girlfriend, and though I lost a pretty great gal, in return I got my life back. Sometimes that's exactly the kind of thing we need.


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Trump has said what he's going to do, which imo, is a waste of federal funding, and should go toward other ways to curb illegal immigration.

What Mexico needs to do is keep their aggressive sentiment going. The current President of Mexico needs to say that under no circumstances, or happenstance for that matter, will Mexico provide funding for the wall. This counterattack would surely put Trump on the defensive, and getting nasty with Mexico would only hurt Trump, over benefit him.

 

It's a ridiculous talking point. Because any wall will have a minimal effect on illegal immigration, because the complications in getting the land to build a wall are endless, and because there isn't a chance in hell that Mexico is going to contribute one peso to it.
Hey, remember when Trump went to Mexico to meet with President Nieto, and "forgot" to mention the wall? Why do you think that was?

 

Yes. Not to mention that hundreds of thousands of acres along the border are owned by wealthy Texas landowners, and the federal government is going to have to sue them and seize their land to build on it. Bush ran into that problem when he tried to build a wall, and ended up quietly downsizing his plans.
Also, what do you do along the Rio Grande? Build a wall in the middle of the river? Good luck with that.........

 

Hmm. So you think he'll forget to mention it at their upcoming meeting? You think now that Trump is the president, he might have a bit more freedom to speak freely and let Nieto know what's going on? You think during the earlier trip, Trump may have been unable to speak for the government of the United States, given the fact that he was just a candidate? I'm sure the upcoming event will be a nice, relaxing meeting between two leaders who have a deep rooted respect for one another. (Yeah, and if you believe that, I have a bridge or two to sell you...).

Agreed. And in response, President Trump should build the wall and make sure that Mexico ends up paying for it.

See? Who says diplomacy isn't fun?

 

There is no meeting.
And Trump "forgot" to bring up the wall with Nieto because he knew that he would get laughed out of the room.

 

How will that be done? I can transfer money into my Barclay bank account in England and that money can be withdrawn at nearly every bank ATM anywhere in the world within seconds

 

So, a 20% tax on imports from Mexico seems to be the answer they've come up with. If I pay $36,000 for a car that should cost $30,000 because of the tax then how is that Mexico paying for the wall? Seems to me that I, an American citizen, just paid for it. I suppose I could just not buy products from Mexico, but if nobody buys Mexican then that 20% is going to equal zero dollars ... and the wall doesn't get built.

 

Tariffs don't work like that. If we presume that a car is imported with zero tariff from Mexico for $10,000 and sold for $18,000, the Mexican company receives $10,000. If there is a 20% tariff, this acts like a tax on the Mexican company resulting in a tax of $2000 (20%) going to the IRS paid by one of the parties. This $2000 will either come out of the profit that the manufacturer makes or out of the profit that the importer/sales makes. The importer can obviously increase the selling price to £20,000 meaning you will be paying for that wall but the importer risks loss of sale. But like you say, if people stop buying the car, there will be no tax income from the tariff. I highly doubt that US car manufacturers can compete with Mexican car manufacturers even with the 20% tariff so there will be no jobs created in the US and there will be no incentive for the Mexican manufacturer to reduce their price because of the lack of competition ending up with you having to pay the extra 20%.

Tariffs only work if the cost of labour and materials in both countries work out to be roughly the same after tariffs. 20% tariff on Mexican imports is nowhere near high enough to offset the difference in manufacturing costs.

 

Straight from the party of family values and good christians, every one.

 

Looks as if we'll get to see how Trumps ego affects the Mexican economy. Peso droppe a full1% upon cancellation announcement. Dollar is up, Dow still above 20K. Vincente Fox claims Mexican victory?

 

Trump's ego has caused the Dollar to drop 2-2,5% since inauguration against GBP and CAD respectively. Currency markets are fickle