True American Patriots aren't appluded, they're....fired?

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Such as in the case of Mrs. Sally Yates, who is a true hero is being a voice for the voiceless. There was absolutely no justification for her to be hired, the refugee ban will inevitably collapse upon itself, Mrs. Yates did not want the DOJ to be part of that. Mrs. Yates knows refugees are not ocean debris, she knows they have feelings, she knows they didn't necessarily plan on coming to America, but they had to, to get out of their war-torn country. Are people, like Mrs. Yates, who put ego aside, truly put America First, going to be fired, for doing just that. Trump doesn't like Yates telling the DOJ to not uphold the refugee ban, then Trump needs to do something about it. Something OTHER than the refugee ban.

    Trump, you fired the wrong person. You fired a patriot, you fired a hero. You fired a voice for the voiceless. Other humans may not mean a thing to you, just like how you exploited the people you're trying to keep out with a wall to build your Trump Tower, or how you wouldn't rent out to certain people in the early 70's due to their color. It's time to grow up. You don't own these people, you don't control what they get to think or say, you put your ego and disregard for humanity on display when you fired Mrs. Yates, who was standing up for humanity. I guess according to you, being a patriot is a punishable offense. Upholding American values is a punishable offense. Stop being the traitor you have shunned, and labeled others as.

    If being a true American patriot is now illegal, then consider me guilty as charged.
     
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    Xtremenerd Well-Known Member

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    your joking right, so now, everyone who doesn't agree with the president should just mutiny against him, is that what your saying? That sounds like a good way to destroy this country.
     
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    One genuinely wonders how much if any of that the average leftist actually believes or if it's all just the equivalent of cynically playing DNC party politics. The world will never know.
     
  4. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Going up against counterproductive measures isn't destroying this country. There is plenty of potential in America for refugees. Trump doesn't like compromise, but guess what? Compromise came with the job.
     
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    I'm afriad your idea of a "true American patriot" is askew; majority of the public is with Trump on this issue.

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    Wouldn't know that from the last 8 years of almost no compromise between the executive branch and anyone else..

    Which is why I say, either use power responsibly or don't use it. One day, the guy you'd like to have in charge won't always be there.
     
  6. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You would have loved this general we had, Benedict Arnold. Let me tell you all about him ...
     
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    yes. I hold this woman in the same respect I held those who refused to obey the direct order by Nixon to fire the special prosecutor during the Saturday Night Massacre. It took three people before Nixon could find anyone to issue his order. its called integrity. she knew she was getting canned before she took her stance. Props and respect.
     
  8. Balto

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    I'm not objecting to safety, the refugee ban isn't going to protect us much, given much of the recent terror attacks have been homegrown.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good Lord, she was acting against the interests of American citizens and in the interests of the unvetted, unwashed masses from the third world.

    With friends like that, who needs enemies?
     
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    What does "appluded" mean? If it means "you're fired!", she was!
     
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    Nope the woman is a lawyer who believes that the rule she is being asked to defend or have her staff defend, is indefensible and that it may in fact be unconstitutional. She won't be a party to it and she will suffer the consequence for that decision.
     
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    What a load of male bovine excrement! If Yates wanted to be a voice for the voiceless, then she was in the wrong job. The Department of Justice has the responsibility of enforcing the laws of the land. As I stated in another topic, the precedence for this Executive Order was set by Jimmy Carter when he banned the Iranians from coming to the US during the Iranian Hostage Crisis. This is no different. There is no law in this country that states that we are required to accept immigrants from anywhere. How long has the ban on against Cubans coming to the US been in force? If they make it to US soil, they can be processed for asylum, but if they are caught before they get here, they are sent back. Well, that was the policy until just before Obama left office. One of his last acts was to sign an executive order ending the process. Now if a Cuban arrives in the US, they are sent back. This policy for these seven countries is no different.

    So, there was nothing illegal or unconstitutional about the Executive Order. Therefore Yates had no reason for issuing the memo that she did. Other then the fact that she wanted to be an advocate for the DNC. You also need to understand that she would have been out of a job as soon as the Senate approves Sessions as the New AG. She is just on the street a few days early.

    The new Acting AG has already said that he will enforce and defend the ban. That is what true patriots do. <Rule 2/3>
     
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    Lawyers are paid big money to defend the indefensible like Clinton defending a rapist she knew to be guilty. She is just making a big noise with no risk as she would have been out of a job in a few days anyway.
     
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    She's not a hero. She's a bum who refused to do the job she was hired for. Now she's gone.

    Heroes jump on grenades and run into burning buildings. They don't cry and throw a tantrum because their boss gives them an order they don't like. <Rule 3>
     
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    Ms. Yates defied the President of the U.S. for a LEGAL, CONSTITUTIONAL EO...She is not a patriot she is insubordinate for political reasons. <Rule 9>
     
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    1. She was getting fired soon anyway once Sessions is confirmed by the Senate.

    2. The AG serves at the pleasure of the President. That's how it's always been, if you don't like the rules then don't play the game.

    3. If the situations were reversed and one of Bush's holdover appointee's were obstructing Obama's actions, you would 100% call for their replacement.
     
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    There were also attacks that were thawed from people abroad. To suggest that this is only a homegrown problem is naive.

    The DHS and State Department knows that people actively defect by going to overseas; they also know terrorist were actively trying to enter the U.S. from these places. That is why they were monitored for two years.
     
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    Sharia Law is counter productive to America. Those refugees support it.
     
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    LOL! Lefties can just tell themselves that she took one for the team!
     
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    I'm so proud to see patriots who love America and what it stands for stand up to Trump.
     
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    Of course you, Ms. Yates and the rest of you lefties stood up to Obama when he did the very same thing...right? :roll:
     
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    you are correct insofar as the adversarial legal system requires that every defendant get a vigorous and tenacious defense. when you work as a public defender, you realize going in, that you will be required to defend a lot of very guilty people. You are also correct that she is taking very little risk, because a. she probably would have either been fired or felt obliged to resign sooner rather than later and b. because she is likely to make even more money in the private sector law or as a lobbyist and she will be able to pick and choose so that she need not represent clients or positions she feels are totally repugnant. This is a win/win/ win. Trump is happy she is out. She is happy she is out. Civil liberties attorneys are glad she made the headlines this way before departing.

    y
     
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    I'm sure MSNBC has already contacted her to be a legal contributor for Morning Joe Joe! I'm sure she will fit right in there!
     
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    I'm just an insignificant peon, but for my efforts on behalf of the 60s (civil rights/anti-war/farm-worker union) protest movements I was:
    1. Tortured in police back room, choked into unconsciousness, worked over with night-stick after being handcuffed.
    2. Fired every 2 years from the only jobs I could get - wage-slave clerical work.
    3. Forced to find every academic credential (honors student) I ever earned (Graduate degree, College Instructor Credential) to be useless.
    4. Reduced to having to pay student loans back for 8.5 years, $125/mo.
    5. Never able to have or afford a family of my own.
    5. Left with this advice for protesters: Wear plastic athletic cup, and a mask. Don't get arrested. Don't stop loving our country.
     
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    Your avatar would be ashamed of you. How you can use that with your views is beyond me
     

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