Democrats and Pharmaceutical Corruption

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  1. Truth-Bringer

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    Here is the latest example of corrupt politicians voting in favor of their own self-interests. Bernie Sanders may be a bit fanatical, yet he has been trying to push a bill through to allow Canada and other countries to import prescription drugs to the U.S., which would significantly decrease the price that consumers have to pay for medication.

    Trump commented that the big pharmaceutical companies “get away with murder,” and even Republicans Ted Cruz, John McCain, and Rand Paul voted in favor of the bill. Yet, 13 Democrats blocked the bill from passing. Those same Democrats receive large payouts from the pharmaceutical companies. The list even includes Cory Booker — the next rising darling of the Democrats. This is why we MUST impose term limits – one time and out.

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    To note, a lot of Republicans voted against this bill too. But it also must be noted, some of the most conservative (and therefore those who Democrats try to portray as "the most dangerous to America") - Ted Cruz and Rand Paul - voted for it. But in the big picture, Republicans weren't the ones railing against the health care industry in 2008 demanding change to make it "more affordable." So the Democrats have their chance here to truly make pharmaceutical drugs more affordable for everyone and what happens? THEIR CORRUPTION PREVENTS IT. And that's the reality of the Democrat Party. They do a whole lot of talking, but at the end of the day, they either do incompetent things like the ACA, which raise costs for the majority of people, or they bow to the money powers to prevent actual, meaningful reform. And with the ACA there was also some corruption too as they let the insurance industry control aspects of the legislation. And this is another prime example of why they lost the election.
     
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    The Donald goin' after pharmaceuticals...
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    Trump pushes drugmakers for lower prices, more U.S. production
    Jan 31 2017 - U.S. President Donald Trump in a meeting on Tuesday with pharmaceutical executives called on them to manufacture more of their drugs in the United States and cut prices, while vowing to speed approval of new medicines and ease regulation.
     
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    My ex worked as an executive secretary for two different drug companies. A huge factor for the cost of drugs in this country is how much the drug companies must put on the side to cover law suits.

    You create a drug like penicillin, it saves millions of lives, a couple people are allergic to it and die from it. In the US we have lawyers who will advertise on TV for clients to sue the drug companies, I’m, sure you see their ads every night on your television.

    If you could sell a pill for 10 cents, but for every million pills you sell you get sued for 5 million dollars, that raises the price of that drug by 5 dollars each.

    The primary reason that drugs in other countries cost less is that you can’t sue the drug companies in those countries!

    For Example:

    How many people have used Talcum Powder in their lives? Someone made a link between the use of talcum powder and ovarian cancer. Do a google search of “Talcum Powder Lawsuits”. The first 4 results are lawyers advertising for any women who have Ovarian Cancer, for any reason, so they can join class action lawsuits against Johnson & Johnson.

    For years, medical professionals knew that talcum powder was dangerous for babies and children to breathe. Now women claim in lawsuits that the fine-powder products gave them ovarian cancer. They're taking action against Johnson & Johnson, the pharmaceutical giant and talcum powder distributor.

    The talcum powder that you currently use to keep your babies dry so that they do not get diaper rash currently costs less than three dollars a bottle. Are moms going to complain when the price jumps to $15? What if you can no longer buy it in the United States any longer?

    Lawyers have some of the lowest approval ratings of just about any other profession, and most of our congress is made up of lawyers!
     
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    I've seen the report on DW channel. Americans are lucky to have this guy leading the country, He's taken on pharmaceutical mafia in the USA. I thought he wasn't going to have guts to go after them. This is a fight for a common man. Lowering down multiple times overblown medication prices. God speed. Only complete fools will refuse to support him on this one.
     
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    Although the catalog of right wing hypocricy is long and varied, this represents another in a long series of lows.

    Blaming the failure of that bill on a few Democrats, when EVERY Republican voted against it in a GOP Congress is laughably dishonest.

    Even more so when you consider the history.

    Back in 2004, when Hot Tub Tommy DeLay and Dennis Hastert were trying to get Congress to pass an unfunded budget buster called Medicare Part D, one of the sticking points was whether to allow the Federal government to negotiate bulk discounts from pharmaceutical companies for Medicaid and Part D in the same manner as the VA already did.

    The Republicans were having none of it. Not only did they want to give big pharma a big wet kiss in the form of generous government subsidies (all paid for with borrowed money), but they wanted to make sure Big Pharma could charge full retain.

    But they had trouble getting the bill passed. So Hastert violated House rules and kept the floor open for hours and sent people out to round up GOP Congressmen to vote for it.

    It then went to Committee, where Republican Congresman Billy Tauzin made sure that ban on negotiating discounts remained enshrined in the bill, and got it through committee.

    In the next election, Tauzin collected his reward.

    He left Congress to become the President of the Pharmaceutica Research and Manufacturer's Association, at a salary of $2 million a year.

    So watching right wingers fall for this dishonest spin line is both disgusting and yet another reminder of their craven hypocricy and short memories.

    http://billmoyers.com/story/the-man-who-made-you-pay-more-at-the-drugstore/

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/under-the-influence/

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    He hasn't taken them on at all.

    He's running his mouth, which folks like you seem to think is action. My, how easy it is to fool you!
     
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    Yes, that is a factor also.

    Right, lawyers love to go into politics and do what? PASS MORE LAWS. Who benefits? Lawyers, as they're then paid to "interpret" all these new laws and regulations. The more unnecessary complexity there is in the legal system, the more they profit.

    Watch out for AI though. While robotics will hurt middle class jobs, AI programs will put lots of lawyers out of business.
     
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    Sorry, the Left owns political hypocrisy in this country. And as I pointed out, some Republicans voted for it. Yeah, let's talk about history. What were the Democrats doing about it when they controlled Congress for 40 years???? I guess lying to everyone and telling them not to worry that Medicare and Medicaid would be 20 times cheaper than the actual costs to taxpayers.

    The Democrats who voted against this did so specifically because of campaign contributions they received from pharmaceutical companies. THEY'RE CORRUPT. And that's why they don't solve problems. That's why the ACA made things worse. Because Democrats want to make sure their campaign money keeps coming in from insurance companies. Granted, no shortage of corruption inside the Republican establishment. But at least the Republicans nominated someone outside the political system who didn't take any campaign contributions. Meanwhile the Dumbocrats nominated the Demon Queen of Corruption, Hillary.

    Liberals have no credibility. None.
     
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    If it was a stand alone bill it probably would have passed , yet it was added to the vote to repeal the ACA, which was probably the motivation to vote against it....
     
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    Correct! Tort laws are out of control in the US. It's also a vicious cycle regarding FDA hoops required to bring new drugs to market in the US. Why do other countries have new drugs 10 years before we do? I think that is self explanatory. That adds to the cost. To offset the costs that the FDA create, our patent laws for drugs are insanely lengthy. Pharma hammers the price to recoup those costs for way longer than should be necessary before going generic. This is not a partisan issue. It's about lawyer greed, lobbyists, insane patent laws, and corrupt politicians.
     
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    Yet, nothing in your post refutes a single word I said

    As I noted, and can easily document, every Republican voted no, and have been voting now for 25 years.

    The GOP loves big pharma and has for decades.

    Now you and your ilk are trying to play games because a few Democrats voted with the GOP.

    Yup, the hypocricy is still stuck to you!

    And if you think Hillary Clinton is the "demon queen of corruption", compared to the clown you voted for, you're either deluded or blind. Donald Trump is, and has always been totally for sale every day of his life. And the rogues gallery he has assembled for a cabinet see government services as a business opportunity, for them.

    The Trump team is lining up at the Federal trough now. Look for budget busting spending and the return of t he $500 billion to $1 trillion deficit with this crowd.
     
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    I've come to the realization that most on the Left are delusional. This is why they can't see reality. My post refuted every word of your post. You might need to wake up to realize that.

    Again, some Republicans voted for it. As noted here. You can stop lying about that.
    The Democrats love Big Pharma also, and have for decades. Many Democrats have taken their money and protected them. And Booker was the worst of them, and yet you guys are already touting him as a Presidential candidate. Lmao.

    And you and your ilk will continue to play games and deny your role in all the corruption. That's why things kept getting worse under Obama, yet if it's one of your own, then you look the other way. It's not "a few Democrats." It's the Democrat establishment and it's the bulk of your party.

    Either you don't understand the definition of the word, or you are deeply mired in a delusional fantasy world.

    There is no comparison. The delusion is all yours. Hillary should be in jail. She even rigged your own primary - and Sanders' people brought legal action.

    Trump has played the game- a game that you Leftists rigged by making Washington so intrusive in all our lives and in business. All the big boys have to "pay up" with political contributions, or they risked having their businesses destroyed. Notice that you haven't seen any more problems for Microsoft after Gates started ponying up on the political contributions. Trump is no fool. He's just watching his back, as any smart business owner must do with the corruption that has reigned in Washington under the "pay for play" Clintons, the statist Bush crime family, and Obama.

    This election was unfortunately about who will captain the Titanic when it goes down. In a normal situation, I think Trump would have been a very good President for business. But because your boy Obama didn't solve anything, and simply kicked the can down the road and added as much debt in 8 years as had taken over 230 years to previously acquire, we're headed for the end stage of the currency collapse. Not to mention keeping interest rates at near zero for an unprecedented stretch of time. This had led to the collapse of pension funds and the bond market is taking a severe hit from this as well. So, it's over. We're headed into a very nasty downturn. Of which you disingenuous frauds on the Left will all scream that it was Trump's fault, but this is really Obama's mess. With credit also for the Democrats in Congress who would never cut spending under Reagan and fought every single spending cut ever proposed.
     
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    No, it did not. It was an empty rant.

    You did not refute my claim that every single Republican voted exactly the same way you accuse Democrats of doing.

    You did not, and could not refute the fact that the Republicans have fought discount bulk buying of pharmaceuticals for over a decade, or the fact that the guy who saved big pharma from having to give those discounts went to work for the pharma industry as a reward.

    It is telling, and typically hypocritical, that right wingers have gone from shouting "hurah" over Trump's empty promises to drain the swamp to defending the collection of fast buck artists and ideologues he has nominated.

    I had to listen to long diatribes of baseless nonsense about Hillary Clinton's unsupported claims of conflict of interest, all from the same people who sat silent when Trump defiantly announced that he didn't even care about the appearance of ethics and he would continue to run the family business out of the White House.

    And considering that 81% of evangelicals voted for a man who is thrice married, philanering misogynist that clearly has trouble with any sort of family values, and has been sued over his business interests literally once every working day for the last 20 years, the hypocricy meter is off the scale.

    Oh, and he's been hauled into Federal Court three times for housing discrimination, but I doubt that most of the old angry white Trump crowd minds that at all.
     
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    Because your point is utterly meaningless as the Democrat establishment is totally corrupt.

    Just more fraud on your point. But I understand that you guys have to keep lying. Again, I'm against the Republican establishment which is why I voted against Bush twice, but you're a Democrat Party hack who was willing to vote for someone who should be in jail. Gee, why are there no more foreign contributions coming into the Clinton Foundation? And why are they shutting it down if it's such a great charitable organization? BECAUSE IT WAS ALL PAY FOR PLAY AND TOTAL CORRUPTION.

    It is telling, and typically hypocritical, that liberals were saying "Just give Obama time, give him time." Yet are out rioting in all out attack mode to not even give Trump a week and to attack everything he does. Lol. Again, the Left's hypocrisy is boundless.

    He's out of the business, dude. I can't waste anymore time on you. Again, Democrats in this country are delusional fools. Right now, they're acting like children who scream and cry for a toy their parents won't buy them in a department store. Put your big boy pants on and grow up. Election is over, you lost. You lost in large part because you nominated a guy, Obama, who had virtually no experience, never passed any legislation in the Senate, and turned out to be an incompetent fool. He ran up $10 trillion in debt and kicked the can down the road while arrogantly claiming he saved the economy. What a total joke the man is. Thankfully Trump will be able to reverse all his destructive executive orders & actions.
     
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    So facts are meaningless.

    Only a complete blind fool would believe for one second that Trump is out of his businesses.

    Obama never passed any legislation in the Senate????????? Made up facts!!!!

    Well, as we all know, in right wing talk radio world, where fake news rules, that's true

    You guys thrive on being lied to. Every time Trump or Sean Spicer does it, you clap your hands and say "thank you Mein Furher, May I have another!"
     
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    To liberal Democrats, yes, facts are meaningless in their delusional fantasy world.

    He put the businesses in a trust under the control of his sons. A very ethical solution. You people are just ridiculous. You would expect this man to totally divest billions of dollars worth of business interests? That's crazy. Divest billions worth in less than 3 months. Lmao at the lunacy of this. Meanwhile you blind fools won't even press Obama for his college records.

    Ok, looks like he did sponsor two bills. WOW!!!!! Two whole bills that passed singularly and not part of other legislation. The Mercury export ban act and a bill to promote democracy in Congo. SO BOTH BILLS THIS CLOWN SPONSORED didn't even benefit the United States. Quite telling, as so much of his administration was about tearing America down and building up the rest of the world at our expense. But those were his accomplishments in the Senate. Lmao.

    And by saying he sponsored those, it doesn't prove he actually authored them. He most likely had his staff write them. I'm sure many in Congress do, but that still goes back to his work ethic. Of which I don't see much evidence of.

    It's the other way around. You guys love being lied to. You lapped up everything the witch queen Hillary fed you. You guys loved Assange when he was looking into the Bush administration, but then when he starts giving you the dirt on Hillary and the Democrats you either refuse to look at what's in the emails or claim that it was doctored. Again, I'm Lmao at the liberal Democrats and their house of cards establishment. Keep up the good work.
     

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