The Problem that Necessitated Sin

That tree was not put in that garden to test Adam and Eve. God put that tree there so that, "When you eat from it, you will die." Much consideration is given to the problem of sin, as should be; but precious little consideration is given to the problem that necessitated sin in the first place.

Good is what God is; evil is what God is not. God reveals both good and evil because anything, even God, is defined just as much by what it is not as it is by what it is. If all one knows is good, one cannot distinguish one's own good from God's good. If all one knows is what one has in common with God, that one cannot know the differences between them self and God.

God revealed evil to men via sin. The devil never sinned because he was never given a law to break. One could say that the devil sinned, by proxy, by getting man to break the law that he had been given, but the devil never personally sinned. Consequently, evil remains unrevealed to the devil. Even though he has become the very personification of evil, evil remains unrevealed to him. To this very day, the devil is left to sincerely believe that he is as good as God. We were well on our way to the same fate, as evidenced by the fact that we did sin when given a law to break.

Pride is a failure to recognize one's contingency upon God. Sin and salvation from sin makes it possible for us to recognize of our contingency upon God. Realizing that we are authored by God down to the tiniest detail, thought, emotion and choice is to die to self.

 

Pride is a failure to recognize one's contingency upon God. Arrogance is a failure to recognize one's equality with other men.
There is a direct correlation between pride and arrogance. To the extent that one is left to believe that they have a "free will" relationship with God, they will want to have authoritarian relationships with other men. On the other hand, to the extent that one recognizes the sovereignty of God, they will want to have libertarian relationships with other men. Arrogance is the 'shadow' cast by pride.

 

God uses sin, and salvation from the penalty of sin, to dispossess us of the idea that we are the 'pilots of our souls or the authors of our fate'.
God uses sin, and salvation from the penalty of sin, to dispossess us of the idea that we are as God.

 

Nope; Jesus came to give us His Life that we may receive it, and He knows no sin, He does not know disobedience to God. Also, the angels do not know disobedience. And that disobedience is to not believe and or trust God’s Word. So, to be in the Presence of God the knowledge of sin isn't required, but to be sinless is required to be in the Presence of God.

Also, you are incorrect about Satan and friends they rejected God, even though they knew God by virtue of once being in the presence of God. They have seen God, and rejected His Word as Lord. And I do believe Jesus states that He saw Satan fall out of Heaven like a bolt of lightning.

The tree proved them to be what they were. God, in the case of mankind, is always looking for faith in His Word. They A&E trusted the word of another in the case of what God said and why He said it. Jesus says that man is to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, hence if one tries to live by the words of something else, then its death.
One has to also take into consideration that the Tree of Life was also in the same garden that they could have eaten from, that would have given them eternal life.

It’s not what they did, but who they trusted, and what they did proved who they trusted. Therefore, in the day of who shall go where, where will be the excuse?

And to address your view of “distinguish one's own good” Jesus says only God is good, and therefore His Judgments of what is good for His creation and the creatures therein is good, not man’s judgement of what is good, or good for himself. Adam and Eve were originally given a certain life that they died from that requires belief and trust completely in God’s Word, and was left with the life in the flesh (dust to dust ashes to ashes). And the main purpose of Jesus Christ coming into the world was to restore the believer to the Life originally given man. not teach you how to be a nice guy, but to give you and teach you the Life given on the Cross, in the Holy Spirit.

 

Short version: Religious dogma composed of bald assertions, apocalyptic woo woo and anthropocentric self-importance.

 

If the god of the Bible is true, I wouldn't know which is worse: to burn in hell for eternity, or to stroke this god's ego for eternity through worshipful praise.

Fortunately, such a bizarre little character doesn't exist.

 

The tree was not the problem...

... the problem was some broad wanted to be as knowledgeable as God...

... it's called the Eve complex and persists to this day...

... even though there was no need for it...

... it was already paradise.

 

so being thankful for receiving life you didn't make, or given you, like even this life you are experiencing would be hell for you, correct? don't they call people like that ingrates? it seems anarchists are always looking to tear down or vandalize what ever is within their reach as long as their is no perceived price to pay for it. kind of like swarm to the joy to destroy, but come to their own destruction.

 

The purpose of the law was to bring forth sin. The purpose of sin was to reveal evil. The purpose of revealing what God is not is to enable us to recognize the differences between us and God. The purpose of our recognition of those differences is so that we can recognize our contingency upon God, and consequently, His sovereignty. The recognition of our contingency and God's sovereignty is the death of pride and the culmination of the wisdom and understanding that began with the knowledge of His Holy One, the revelation of the glory of God. The recognition that one lives for God is to die to self. "When you eat from it, you will surely die."

 

So Yahweh created me for the sole purpose of being grateful for him having created me.

Lol.

 

Man created sin so that he could control his fellow man.

No gods involved just power crazy man looking at ways to control other men, forever and ever suckers.

 

God's purpose for me is to glorify Him by enjoying Him forever. The only way to glorify anything is to enjoy it. Indeed, everything we enjoy we glorify.

 

Great. That means I can commit adultery with another man's wife and glorify it by enjoying it. Thanks.

 

That's how it works. Whatever one enjoys that one glorifies. Personally, I don't glorify adultery, but many do. I don't condemn everything I don't condone. I tolerate everything that does not condemn me. I find your adultery to be tolerable.

 

What is life but the experience of fulfillment to the satisfaction of the will? Therefore, who choices what is to be fulfilled, as in according to who? If one is denied the expected fulfillment, then why? Could it be the incorrect fulfillment expected for the life given? So, to experience fulfillments of what is desired should be a thankful thing, shouldn’t it? And surly no one is entitled the next breath they take. So all of it is a gift, isn’t it?

 

Oh really. Few adulterers actually glorify committing adultery. They may enjoy their affair, but most keep it very quiet. Many end up ashamed of what they have done.

 

OP, your vision is severely distorted by those rose colored glasses.

 

Why would anyone care, they wouldn't know, if all there is, is good.
Why would God care if man knew only good? That is what he wanted?

 

And misogyny was born.

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I enjoy a great many things. I don't glorify any of them.

 

Intent has nothing to do with it. To the extent adulterers enjoy adultery, they glorify adultery.

 

God wants us to know both good and evil, both what He is and what He is not, because anything, even God, is defined just as much by what it is not as it is by what it is.

God created for the purpose of revealing His glory. It is an act of grace. His purpose for us is to glorify Him by enjoying Him forever.

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To the extent you enjoy them, you glorify them. Your intentions have nothing to do with it. The bible refers to this principle as idolatry.

 

Why does God want us to know both good and evil? And then torture the great many who don't follow or understand or ever heard.
Supposedly there were angels, God didn't want them to know both good and evil.
I think you're making stuff up to fit some mindset you've been taught or learned.
There's no reason for it.

Sorry, I don't glorify them. More stuff you're just making up.

 

sanctimonious bs. There is no way for anyone to KNOW what god wants. your 'bible" has gone thru many revisions and was just a bunch of hooey from the beginning.

 

Yeah, that's why the myth has your god punishing Adam and Eve (and all descendants) for choosing to learn about good and evil in the Garden of Eden.

You need to work on making your proselytizing consistent with the myth you peddle.

 

So Yahweh is like Donald Trump. Cool.