Can California be saved or is it too late?

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Can California be saved or is it too late?

  1. CA is fine - leave it alone

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  2. CA is gone - can't be saved

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  3. CA is gone - can save it but not worth the killings.

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  4. CA is almost out the door - hurry you may catch it.

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  1. katzgar

    katzgar Banned

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    the right just cares about stupid...its their anti smart program

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    reality is California economy is booming...grow up.
     
  2. Arjay51

    Arjay51 Well-Known Member

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    Reality is Californbia is going down the toilet. Example, they keep electing Nancy Pelosi. Now who needs to grow up? You.
     
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    Gone. We need to take her behind the shed and shoot her.
     
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    you post the assertion that a booming economy is going down the toilet is just plain no place near reality.
     
  5. Arjay51

    Arjay51 Well-Known Member

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    If your economy is "booming" why are taxes on things like gasoline (a $0.42 per gallon) needed to make ends meet? I knew that California is the land of loonies and self deception, and it appears that you are bent on proving it.

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    Which just provides another reason that the state is failing.
     
  6. slackercruster

    slackercruster Banned

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    Well, you can make of it what you like. My idea is to bring it back to American values, mainly not being hell-bent on repopulating the US with illegal aliens and following federal law. I guess it can be summed up with working with and for America instead of trying to bring it down.
     
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    In that case, not a chance in hell of it even being saved. It is way too far gone over the loony cliff. Sad that one of the greatest geographical states has been completely ruined by the libs.

    What incentive is there for anyone to move there? The good weather and being on the coast with beach access is only worth so much.
     
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    I'm not saying it isn't a serious issue, but we're running a surplus and have one of the fastest growing economies in the country regardless.
     
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    None of the southern states (I notice how you still keep it identity politics there by referring to confederate states.....sad really) are wanting to secede so it doesn't matter. If California can't stand on it's own it will fail.
     
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    Only according to the liberal overlords who control the media.
     
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    Actually, according to the state's revenue v expenses, we're making bigger revenue than what we're spending. Sometimes the state makes projections on what next year's budget holds, and sometimes these projections are off. However, as far as our effective state budgets have gone(the budgets we've already paid), we have been bringing in more money than we have been spending. This isn't something that is up for debate
     
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    Could be promising plan!
     
  13. Arjay51

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    Sure it is up for debate. If it were true, then state taxes would not have to be constantly increased and demands for funding from the fed would not exist. You provide proof of the falseness of your own statements.
     
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    A better question at this point would be , "Can the US be saved"?
     
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    What is CA's debt load again? Evidently, the banks don't seem to agree with this position.
     
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    California's income exceeds its debt by 4%
     
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    yeah cause the republican terminator did so much better
     
  18. Arjay51

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    It was better than it is now, so yes.
     
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    No it really isn't up for debate, officially speaking California has been running a surplus. This is not up for debate because it is not a matter of opinion, the state has been bringing in more revenue than what it has been spending since 2014. And again, all tax increases (with the exception of those applied in accordance to federal healthcare regulations) since 2010 have been voter approved via statewide propositions. More than this, the fact that there were tax increases in no sense means contradicts the fact that there is a budget surplus. There are two ways to remove a deficit, one is to cut expenses, the other is to raise revenue. The fact that the state raised revenue through tax increases in no way means we're running a deficit. Your argument is nonsensical

    There is a fundemental difference between running a deficit and having a debt. Every state has a debt
     
  20. Arjay51

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    I love to see how liberals tie themselves in knowts trying to justify their own false statements in the belief that if they repeat them often enough and loud enough someone will eventually believe them.

    Here is an observation for you snowflake, no one is buying your crap.
     
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    Won't happen without war. The supreme court ruled that secession is illegal, because it strips US citizens living in a state of their rights as citizens.
     
  22. drluggit

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    So, sure. They might. It then becomes a question of sustainability. The other function of this is differentiating debt that services operational overages and capital investments. When a state, like CA, broaches it's ability to stop incurring debt because they fiscally aren't responsible enough to stop overspending, it surely has consequences, like banks reducing the rating of it's debt. CA is AA- or A depending on the service. CA has to pay more in juice to get further into debt. It's a downward spiraling glideslope.
     
  23. TCassa89

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    The problem here is you do not know how to accept information that doesn't correspond with your assumptions. You want it to be true that California is running a deficit, but that is not reality. Since 2014 the state has brought in more money than it has spent. Now this doesn't mean the state has no debt, however every year we run a surplus that debt decreases, and the state has been running a 4% surplus. How long this will last is unknown, especially if the state will be expanding MediCal to compensate for changes made in our federal healthcare program, but what is known is since 2014 the state of California has run a surplus

    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/18/california-crisis-spend-budget-surpluses-democrats-voted.html
    http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/11/17/66216/california-analyst-projects-2-8-billion-budget-sur/
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/05/...plus-soars-to-new-heights-schools-to-benefit/
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/16/california-analyst-projects-28-billion-budget-surp/
    https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/01/07/state-budget-surplus-leads-to-spending-tensions/
    http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-5-best-ideas-from-californias-progressive-resurgence/
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/spending-378750-tax-year.html

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    You're foolishly arguing against something that is a known fact. It's not rational
     
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    It's up to the people who live there! San Andreas is long overdue to let a big one rip..:)-
    "Whatever the natural cause, sin is the cause of all earthquakes"- John Wesley 1703-1793
     
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