100 Syrian Refugees Rush into Country After Seattle Judge Halts Trump Executive Order

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  1. 10A

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    No, our knowledge of individuals in the ME is not significant. Furthermore, 3 of the 7 countries aren't in the ME, so I take it your in favor of the ban for those 3 countries?.
     
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    When the next terrorist attack happens we have the pictures of the people who caused it to happen.
     
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    Don't confuse the media with Twitter. Trump acts like a modern-day Hitler on Twitter - no media spin needed. The media is just keeping us informed of how the legal process is going.

    Trump's the guy now. It's Trump's problem. I'm sorry he's letting you down with his incompetence.
     
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    I'm not in favor of the Bannon ban, period.

    If Bannon wanted to improve vetting in some way, he could have used the method we've used in the past - simply improving vetting. There are numerous experts on vetting. There is nothing stopping us from improving vetting of immigrants, including refugees.

    Instead, the administration crashed the whole process, with people's lives and rights impacted throughout broad regions. And, they did so, because they had no respect for the systems we have in place to carry out policy.

    When it comes down to it, the way this was implemented was just plain inexcusable. And, the fact is that the administration tied this to being a religiously motivated exclusion.
     
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    What kind of fantasy are you spinning now? This is because of a court action where two of four judges who ruled against Trump, were appointed by Republicans!

    Are you saying the State Dept should break the law to follow Trump? Should we just toss out the Constitution? Is that what you're saying?
     
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    Not all Islamic countries were banned and there is a procedural vetting used to screen the refugees.
    I think enforcement of immigration laws and regulation falls under the executive branch, If I'm correct then they still have the control of refugee inflows.
     
  7. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    The EO didn't stop people in those countries from emigrating to any of the 188 or so other countries in the world they could go to. They don't have to come to the US. There's a lot of space in Siberia.
     
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    Wow, are YOU ever confused!!

    The issue is that people landed at our airport here, and America greeted them by saying that the government rejects them, by denying them the constitutional rights that they have while standing on US soil, by sending them back to countries where some of them had risked their lives in support of our nation and where they would be considered enemies, where they had sold their homes and property due to American stating that they could come here to live, etc.

    And, the reason was tied to the fact that the country of origin is mostly Muslim!!

    I do not accept that as a justified legal act by my nation.
     
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    Unless you're talking about a planned mass extermination of 6 million people with nerve gas then keep your Godwin's Law to yourself.

    Blissfully ignorant, as ever.
     
  10. WillReadmore

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    Even if true, that certainly does not mean that literally anything the do must be considered both legal and acceptable.

    And, if they state that the issue involves the nations being Muslim, then that is not excused by pointing out that some other nation is Muslim.
     
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    To answer your question. Just take alook at Germany, Sweden, France.
     
  12. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    As I said, ISIS thugs, as well as an alphabet soup of other terrorists, are muslims so according to your logic they should be allowed to enter the US because they are being oppressed in their home countries.
     
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    And where was all this fuss when Clinton and Obama banned immigrants??? Seriously you Americans are two faced hypocrites.
     
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    Then how is it become illegal?
     
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    No, I absolutely did NOT say that.
     
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    The Obama case most commonly compared is the one when Obama delayed issuance of visas in order to improve vetting.

    That is NOT what Bannon did.

    What Obama did left those in other countries with a complete understanding of their welcome in America.

    That is, no visa means not welcome. Visa means welcome. Greencards mean ... etc., etc.

    Bannon COULD have done that. If he wanted vetting improved, he could have required improvements in vetting.


    Instead, he did something Obama did NOT do.

    And, THAT is where the problem lies.
     
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    How does WHAT become illegal?

    I'm assuming you recognize that the constitution and federal law are still in place and aren't optional to the president.

    So, one would have to talk about a specific act.
     
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    Could you please specify which part of federal law and constitution?
    The president could only order but he could not make the laws it's a job more legally for the US congress to do.
     
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    I must have missed it when that happened because I was so distraught over the massacre in Bowling Green.
     
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    Wrong!

    Rule #1: First investigate before writing nonsense! Obama administration identified them as higher risk countries and put them on a watching list where every single person of them who wants to enter USA has to be thoroughly investigated before getting visa etc.

    Trump in his idiocy spoke a ban against all and set in matter of Iran the crown on this idiocy on it. Who should be hit in case of Iran please? Sure, Iranian people, but in majority their well-known terror arm with name Hezbollah! Problem is only that Hezbollah is not sitting in Iran, but in Lebanon and right in this country is a well-known base for others from Syria too. But is Lebanon on any list? No!

    So Trump did something, yes ... but what? BS only and nothing what works! Who is now better please?

    And don't think only about to blame Obama that Lebanon is not named etc. ... he is out and Trump followed and so even if Obama made error, then Trump failed totally to solve these errors of Obama!
     
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    FBI? ... OK, there are some people telling there is no difference between KKK and FBI and CIA because all are gangsters, but ...
    Estimated number of members of KKK is again?
    Estimated number of right Nazi style groups are again how many?

    This alone delivers you more racist scum people a potential terrorists, but hey ... these Nazi idiots are no problem maybe?


    How many Somalis did terror attacks in the USA or were caught before doing during last 10 years?

    Even they 10 out of 3,000 or even 100 out of 3,000, this is percent how much? Simple mathematical facts, eh?!
     
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    What is again written in your so holy Constitution about Religion please? Ah yes ... we better tell not, eh?

    And in Germany are about 6 - 7% Muslims of many countries and confessions of Islam. Any problem with it? No... as far as they follow our laws, rules and values it does not matter if they believe in God, Allah, Buddha, Hindu or simply pray to next tree as god.
    So it is the task to make sure that they follow the rules, values and laws ... and who does not has to be kicked out!
     
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    Simple answer: because it were these Trump followers and voters who are not tired to tell how evil Islam is in general .. and their holy Trump himself made several speeches during election campaign in same direction, or are these still forgotten!

    And simple counter question to YOU about this topic which tell as OP that the enter of these 112 people is such a danger and shame. If they are not in majority Muslims, but Christians from Iraq, Syria and Somalia ... would you and would the OP being angry about too? No ... because what scares them is that they are Muslims!
     
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    Dems own any an all attacks from this day forward. Their attempts to weasel their way out of blame and the MSMs guaranteed blaming of Trump will only embolden the silent majority.


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    Reading comprehension. Look it up.

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    I take the word of congressional testimony and the people working in the department over fantasy.
     

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