Let's suppose we deport all illegal aliens

huh?

what?

 

That's a tired old fallacy. Production methods will change using more efficient processes, planting less product (which increases market value), or paying more for labor. The only time produce rots in the field is if the market is super saturated that even with the cheapest labor the net result would be further loss of income.

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What didn't you understand? Guest workers will be chipped and tracked through GPS. It will be a condition of entry to the US. Not for citizens, but aliens.

 

actually I think he did think it through. I understood the point, it was quite clear.

 

"Production methods will change using more efficient processes"? Says who? You?

Tired old fallacy? Get rid of 11 million illegals, then get back with me about that okay?

 

So then you are admitting that most of you on the left said wouldn't happen with a minimum wage increase will happen?
And all those liberal socialist economist are wrong

 

So...you are opposed to wage rates going up? You think they need to be low?

And that leads to my next question. You predict bad things will happen if wages increase...yet you support wages increasing. So if I understand you correctly, you want to artificially increase wages so you can artificially create jobs...what?

 

Obviously you've never understood agriculture. The farmers do. They learned eons ago about subsidies to "NOT" plant a particular crop. That was bad policy but happened nonetheless. They'll simply plant the quantities that will maximize their returns, choose crops that command a good margin and are less manual labor intensive. We will likely grow and export more things like grain and less perishable goods, import those things that are not profitable here. You really are a sad fellow, thinking that AG won't adjust.

 

What is more important: saving the nation by preventing the manipulation of the voting demographic in an attempt to create a 1 party system, or keeping prices of some items artificially low?

I go with saving the nation.

 

There are about 40 million young people aged 16 to 24 in the US alone. If unemployment from this group is around 10%, that's 4 million---at least doing nothing. If there are some 12 million illegal aliens in the US, that means about 1/4 of them are working, and the rest are family members. so that's 3 million.

Forcing these non-working Americans to work would be great for them, and for America. All illegal aliens are criminals, and they can all leave.

Anyone who can work, but won't is lazy. A word all liberal snowflakes need hearing.

 

How this garlic farm went from a labor shortage to over 150 people on its applicant waitlist

Spoiler alert: They raised wages.

 

I am curious why in your above example wages going up causes a price increase but when some one points out that raising minimum wage will merely raise the prices on goods and services, the left scoffs.

Just...curious.

 

Well, we would have less crime, rapes and murders. Our schools would cost less and be less crowded. Property values in a lot of areas would go up. In many areas traffic would improve and there would be less wear and tear on the roads plus less pollution. Our criminal court system would have less work as would our prisons. There would be less drugs on the street. And there absolutely would be less drinking and driving incidents.

 

Lol! Legal American citizens picking up watermelons out of fields and slinging them onto the backs of trucks?

 

We know for sure 10,000 new border patrol hires have been authorized.

 

I don't think your considering legals, those with work permits or part of organized contractors that forever have been going back and forth from Mexico, legally. Illegal's have become seekers of benefits offered or demanded by some governments, yes possibly to supply cheap labor or even an eventual vote. In short... the cost to legal American's including those that followed procedures to become AMERICANS, to pay for those benefits, is far more costly.

 

I'm for bussing. In California, why not bus the lazy youth who show up at welfare entitlement distribution centers to the fields to harvest the crops?

Thinking only Hispanics should do such work is racist. Lazy White, Black and Asian youth need to diversify the agricultural workplace.

 

What, are we too good to do those jobs? I know I would if it meant supporting my family.

Maybe we should stop making people think certain jobs are beneath them and teach them to do what you have to do to survive.

 

We had a meat processing plant in the next town, 25 miles from me. For their entire existence until it was bought out by a big corporation, they worked local citizens, and paid middle class wages. It was bought, moved, and now works illegals. One day it worked americans,the next, illegals not because we would not do those jobs, but to fatten up profits.

Truth is there are plenty of production jobs that are not threatened by automation. We moved those to china and mexico for cheap labor, because we could not automate them past where they already were with labor saving machines. If we could have replaced the human with a robot, they would not have been shipped to slave labor.

 

I have two friends, quite legal, born in the USA that pick up suitcases and sling them into the bellies of airplanes.... actually much heavier than melons, rain or shine, hot or cold, on a strict schedule.

#1 does very well, $23 an hour + benefits, works for a major Airline.
#2 not so much, under $10 if IIRC, he works for a contract company.

They both essentially do the same job, deal with random drug testing, etc...

 

I used to do that. On a Florida airport in the middle of the summer!

 

And I can promise you one thing, the slinging suit cases guy making $23 dollars an hour isn't about to walk out in the hot sun all day slinging watermelons for the same price, because they won't pay him the same wage, and he isn't going to do it anyway, unless he's an illegal immigrant?

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Are you doing it now? What about your buddies? They doing it too?

 

Back in the mid 2000's, in the wake of the defeat of the Kennedy McCain - Bush amnesty legislation by an aroused public that nearly set the Capitol on fire when they were trying to pass it, GWB ramped up some enforcement efforts. Some of those landed on some midwest meatpacking plants and in some raids by INS, several hundred illegal aliens were rounded up for deportation. The meatpackers now needed workers. American citizens lined up for those jobs, but only after the companies offered an average pay rate of $20 an hour where as they were paying the illegal aliens an average of $12 an hour.

This in a microcosm of what will happen when we throw the illegal aliens out. Americans will line up to do the work, but the employers will have to pay better wages and not depend on illegal alien labor to make more money.

 

Kode: What's wrong with Mexico?
Shouldn't you be asking that question?

I call it the finest real estate on earth. Lots of ocean view property, fertile soil and mineral rich. Beautiful climate, charming towns and resorts, fun and engaging art and music and culture, the best cuisine on earth. And, it is filled with really sweet, hard-working people. What's wrong with Mexico?

Why are people risking their lives to leave it?

 

Check posts #13 and 47.

 

Nah. Perhaps what would be an interesting conversation is why the left don't understand the term "artificial". The observation is that when government artificially improves wages, it stratifies unemployment. It takes the ability to offer more employment away from the market. I doubt that you'll be able to see the difference. Natural inflation is a recognition that value is rising. As value rises, production will expand on its own to support the increase in demand that follows. Which is fundamentally different than ignoring the value appreciation component in the manner of government.

Another observation is that when religion was more in favor, that the banality of dogma was reserved to the religious. It's conspicuous absence seems to still require those who need this level of structured understanding of the complex thought to be simplified, and hence why autocratic government is likely to be so attractive to them.