Trump on deportations: 'It's a military operation'

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Think for myself, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2008
    Messages:
    65,277
    Likes Received:
    4,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Relax!

    Though it sounds scary, he only meant it as an adjective according to the employed Trump apologists on staff.

    Sounding very much like a dictator or someone unfamiliar with the Constitution, Trump vows that his deportations will be a military operation. The White House, cleaning up his verbal mess, said it will be neat and orderly, and that is what he meant.

    Even so, a bit scary to think that the president would invoke such verbiage on a law enforcement issue.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/donald-trump-deportation-military/

    President Donald Trump, meeting with business leaders at the White House on Thursday, described his administration's moves to deport undocumented immigrants as a "military operation," a label that runs counter to what his administration has previously said.
    Trump has used a series of executive orders to chip away at the barriers to deportations and hire new law enforcement officials to spearhead the effort, using the Department of Homeland Security to live up to the President's tough talk on undocumented immigration during the 2016 campaign.
    "We're getting really bad dudes out of this country, and at a rate that nobody's ever seen before," Trump said Thursday. "And they're the bad ones. And it's a military operation."

    He added: "You see what's happening at the border. All of a sudden for the first time, we're getting gang members out. We're getting drug lords out."
    A White House spokesperson said Trump did not misspeak by calling deportations a 'military operation,' but clarified the President meant "military" as an "adjective."
     
  2. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Saudi Arabia deported 400,000 illegals last year. Is Trump still talking?
     
  3. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    14,673
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Whimpering over Trump's syntax now? Or still...I should say?

    Most people think Trump's actions are far more important than how he characterizes them. But I suppose you know better.

    Frankly after sixteen straight years of Bush/Obama rule I'm very happy to see a president who takes our immigration law seriously again.
    Sorry if that displeases you.
     
  4. Fisherguy

    Fisherguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2016
    Messages:
    5,023
    Likes Received:
    3,411
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How many were deported in the past 16 years? Thirty million? Trump invents a crisis and then pretends to fix them.
     
  5. Papastox

    Papastox Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2014
    Messages:
    10,296
    Likes Received:
    2,731
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What's your problem, Think? Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? Why are you people sooooooo literal? Or did you see the military come for the criminals? Since when do you NOT want criminals rounded up? Because they're so hardworking? LOL
     
  6. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2016
    Messages:
    8,069
    Likes Received:
    5,430
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How many did Mexico deport last year? And I not talking about drunk out of their minds UTEP students.
     
  7. shades

    shades Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2010
    Messages:
    692
    Likes Received:
    111
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Finally someone is addressing this issue.

    And the funny part is Mexico keeps saying they won't pay for the wall or take deportees from Central America, who incidently crossed here from the Mexican border.
    mexico acts like they don't need us, when truth be told not only would they not exist without us, but they will take our deportees, and they will pay for the wall. One way or the other they will pay for the wall.

    I like like Trumps, "yea ok whatever you say there Pepi" attitude

    This next 8 years is going to be fun, buckle up world.
     
  8. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Are you suggesting the military can't be used to secure the countries borders?

    - - - Updated - - -

    They're still trying to come to grips with the fact that how they feel doesn't override the law anymore.
     
  9. WertyFArmer

    WertyFArmer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2010
    Messages:
    1,760
    Likes Received:
    35
    Trophy Points:
    48
    It is a military operation or it should be one. nothing wrong with that.
     
  10. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Who else besides the military is going to secure the country's border?
     
  11. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2016
    Messages:
    8,069
    Likes Received:
    5,430
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Exactly right. Plus I'm sure there's a large number of private gun owners in the vicinity who'd be happy to provide backup.
     
  12. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,429
    Likes Received:
    17,419
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Millennial philosophy students of course.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  13. ararmer1919

    ararmer1919 Banned

    Joined:
    May 26, 2014
    Messages:
    8,605
    Likes Received:
    2,150
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It should be. But that's beside the point because he clearly didn't mean it in a literal sense. But it most definitely should be.
     
  14. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    US military cannot conduct operations on American soil.

    As per Federal law.
     
  15. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    27,360
    Likes Received:
    8,062
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What he said makes perfect sense, being that it involves our border and foreign invaders.
     
  16. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    27,360
    Likes Received:
    8,062
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's not what it says. Try actually reading it. :roll:
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Under US law, the US Military can be used on US soil under the following conditions:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act#Exclusions_and_limitations

    "Exclusions and limitations[edit]
    There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:

    Army and Air National Guard units and state defense forces while under the authority of the governor of a state;
    Federal military personnel used in accordance to the Insurrection Act, as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.
    Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if domestic law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness. The only exemption is nuclear materials.
    Support roles under the Joint Special Operations Command"
     
  18. ChoppedLiver

    ChoppedLiver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    5,703
    Likes Received:
    2,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Trump on deportations: 'It's a military operation'

    And why shouldn't it be a military operation?
     
  19. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    48,878
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    National Guard can assist law enforcement be it local or federal.

    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defen...-Comitatus-Act-The-Military-On-The-Border.htm

    On May 15, 2006, President Bush, in "Operation Jumpstart," ordered up to 6,000 National Guard troops to the states along the Mexican border to support the Border Patrol in controlling illegal immigration and related criminal activities on U.S. soil. On July 19, 2010, President Obama ordered an additional 1,200 Guard troops to the southern border. While this buildup was substantial and controversial, it did not require Obama to suspend the Posse Comitatus Act.

    the Posse Comitatus Act limits the Guard troops to acting only in support of the U.S. Border Patrol, and state and local law enforcement officers.


    Factual information
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  20. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    51,825
    Likes Received:
    38,184
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nation Guard can, I think they're considered Military. Then again we can exercise the Militia clause in the second and we can all take part in law enforcement, I'll bring the beer and brats!
     
  21. nra37922

    nra37922 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2013
    Messages:
    13,118
    Likes Received:
    8,506
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    "military operation" - Means a well executed, well oiled machine FULLY capable of handling the task at hand.

    Works for me...
     
  22. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    18,965
    Likes Received:
    3,421
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    That is true. It avoids it.



    https://theintercept.com/2017/02/23...-courts-to-deport-as-many-people-as-possible/
     
  23. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Separation of powers.

    The judicial branch has no authority over immigration or national security when it comes to the executive and legislative branches.

    Congress writes the laws. The judicial branch is supposed to rule on the law when there is a dispute, not circumvent existing law.

    That's exactly what they did.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Posse Commitus does not apply, at all, to securing the federal borders.
     
  24. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,692
    Likes Received:
    91,727
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I was going to post something along these lines a while ago but never had the opportunity. But now, with a petition before the Supreme Court saying we're being invading, then why isn't this a military operation? Who protects and defends the country? The military. What do other countries use to protect their borders? The military. But this isn't what this thread is about, it's about the words President Trump used to describe the well organized method of what he's trying to accomplish.

    I would be thrilled if the military patrolled our borders. Thrilled.
     
  25. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2008
    Messages:
    65,277
    Likes Received:
    4,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There seems to be some confusion here.

    The border is not deportations.
     

Share This Page