FISA Warrant is Proof Obama Tapped Trump

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  1. Penrod

    Penrod Well-Known Member

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    Not when the request comes from the president . All he has to do is ask
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    There is absolutely no evidence the Trump campaign was in collusion with the Russians so let's just call the whole thing off.
     
  3. shades

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    look, this country made such a huge mistake voting in Obama 8 years ago, which put us in the situation that called for drastic change.
    We had no immigration control, wages were stagnant at home, the middle east was ablaze with hatred toward the west and our way of life being threatened with no end in sight, our health care system on the verge of collapse, partisan bickering almost assuredly guaranteeing nothing happening to actually address these messes, that we voted for the only person willing to challenge the status quo.

    So back off an let the man work
     
  4. Andrew Jackson

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    Just like there was no evidence of a Watergate coverup in early 1973?

    Got it.
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    But there was. The very next day in fact the evidence began to mount.
     
  6. One Mind

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    Just admit you were wrong when nothing ever turns up in regards to the trump/Russia tinfoil hat conspiracy. The utter absurdity of this ruse has most people wondering how they walked into Alice in Wonderland with this Russian trump conspiracy theory. I would tell them, go ask a democrat. Since they created it with MSM. Outlandish lying.
     
  7. The Mello Guy

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    He's the president, if proof exists he can/should produce it. Instead he makes a wild claim then hides
     
  8. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL! So now I don't get to politically classify myself? Seriously, on every test of political ideology, I end up as a moderate centrist. Now, that said, the center is left of the far right and even the right, but that's a matter of perspective. I really am in the middle. I lean left on social issues and right on fiscal issues… but just lean in those directions, not slide all the way to the far ends. You're welcome to your opinion, but that doesn't change my political outlook.

    Trump brought the battle on himself. No one was saying anything about him having been wire tapped. There were reports about FISA warrants, but they weren't reported as Trump being a target. They were reportedly about two Russian banks. The "libs" didn't do this to Trump. The "haters" didn't make Trump criticize absolutely everything and every one including other Americans, but not Putin. The "haters" didn't make Flynn or Sessions be less than truthful about Russian meetings. You don't have to like the "haters" and you can even blame them for lots of things, but not Trump's tweets. Those are on Trump and only Trump. If he wants to talk about other things, he needs to stop shooting himself in the foot.
     
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    I never said there was collusion. You're right. At this point, there is no evidence of collusion and there may not be any collusion whatsoever. However, there should be an investigation to make sure. Too much rides on it not to know the truth for sure.
     
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    This just in: Obama's totally innocent.... says the first he heard of any wiretap was when he read about it in the NYT. ;)
     
  11. The Mello Guy

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    If proof exists then trump has access to if...so where is it?!?
     
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    It is the first act of a declared Police state.To spy on one's citizens.Obama spied
    all over the place.On Angela Merkel.On James Rosen and even the AP.
    In the Congressional House cloak room. Had his IRS Target conservatives.
    Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing strategy.
    Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables.
    Targetted the swiss phone of World Trade Organization Johann Human.
    Reporter Sharyl Attkisson claimed her PC and laptop were hacked into.
     
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  13. shades

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    stay tuned there slim.. I mean Oprah;)
     
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    Probably why Obama waited 3 years to present his Long-form.Which should have been
    an absolute piece-of-cake to acquire and submit.
    To this day has Obama the Meek EVER once said he was sorry for
    misleading Americans over Benghazi.Of course not.
    That's all the proof you need.
     
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    This was really smart of Trump. Launches an investigation into the wire tapping that will also encompass all of the leaks and information on the Russians hacking our election. This will drag on for months. Don't expect any concrete answers for at least a few months.

    By the end of the week, we'll be focused on ACA and it's complete repeal and replacement.
     
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    Youtube is your proof? LOL
     
  17. The Mello Guy

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    When do we get Trumps? I heard he was born in the mothers homeland of Scotland.
     
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    Benghazi was and still is a non-issue, and I have yet to hear ANY OF YOU complain about when Bush said it was "A tragedy" so they ought not to investigate some of the attacks that happened under his watch.

    **** that noise.

    Partisan hypocrisy.
     
  19. doombug

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    Wrong. The media wrote about President Trump being wire tapped. He is merely referring to those reports. But it is a brilliant strategy. If you drag obama into the middle of a media propaganda campaign they will drop it like a hot potato.
     
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    Well, if the news reports are true, the Obama Administration attempted to get a regular warrant and was turned down because they did not meet the probable cause requirement, per the 4th amendment. So then they went to the FISA court which is set up to go around the 4th amendment, but highly restricted (No US Persons, only terror and espionage and strict controls on the information uncovered with prompt deleting of any information that is picked up inadvertently from a US Person or that has nothing to do with terror and espionage). When the Court saw it was Trump that was the target they refused to issue the warrant, as they should have done. Out of 35,000 warrant requests, they have only refused 12 (this would be 13). Then the warrant was re-requested, concealing from the FISA court that Trump and his campaign were the target. Then the information obtained, rather that being highly protected and everything not related to terror and espionage deleted, it was instead stored and then leaked.

    Hopefully none of this is true. But, every warrant request is signed off by the AG, Loretta Lynch and unless she has put out a denial recently, she is still silent. Also there is a history of the Obama Administration misusing the powers of the Federal Government against the American People who he views as political adversaries. Were it not for that, I would have dismissed this long ago. But, I agree with Trump. It's time to drag this entire sordid mess out into the sunlight.
     
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    This situation with the misuse of the Federal Government against the American People and those the government views as enemies, resonates with the American People. Jonathan Turley thinks there needs to be an investigation and he at one time worked with the FISA court process and he finds it alarming. Trump is right to call for a thorough and complete investigation.
     
  22. shades

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    What Obama and his minions may be forgetting is that they are messing with someone with all the power right now.
    Can't imagine they don't know he can find out anything he wants, but their stupidity has shown no boundry's as of yet, so we shall see
     
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    Please link me reputable "media" writing about Trump being wiretapped. Breitbart and Levin don't count as reputable, as far as I am concerned. If some other media wrote about Trump being wiretapped, it should be easy to Google.
     
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    You'll either ignore it or tell me its not wiretapping but what ever.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0

    "F.B.I. officials spent weeks examining computer data showing an odd stream of activity to a Trump Organization server and Alfa Bank. Computer logs obtained by The New York Times show that two servers at Alfa Bank sent more than 2,700 “look-up” messages — a first step for one system’s computers to talk to another — to a Trump-connected server beginning in the spring. But the F.B.I. ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts."
     

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