Judge Napolitano: ‘Three Intel Sources’ Say Obama Looked to Brit Agency to Spy on Trump

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  1. PinkFloyd

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    Real or Fake? Why do you refuse to answer such a simple, non political answer? This is merely about a NY Times piece that said Trump was Wire Tapped.

    Real or Fake?
     
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    I linked to the correct story in post 294. The online version is Jan 19. That appeared in print on Jan 20. The headline is different. The authors and text are the same.

    Both the photo of the front page of the NYT and the article I linked to start the same: "American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions ..."

    So go ahead - lift a post from that article and tell us it was about surveillance of Trump aides.
     
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    I have not seen any NY Times article that says that. If you have one, by all means provide us with a link to it.

    Until you do so, the premise of your question is flawed.
     
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    OK, the headline. Real or fake news? Is it true or is it false?
     
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    The headline in the front page pic I've posted twice now.
     
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    Yes, the headline uses the word "wiretapped". And it says "Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides".

    What does that tell us?
    1. There is wiretapped data.
    2. It tells us that there is an "Inquiry" about Trump aides.
    3. It tells us that the wiretapped data is being used in that inquiry.

    It does not tell us who the target of those wiretaps was. It does not tell us who was intercepted. It does not tell us that any Trump aides were under surveillance.

    Edit - maybe I can make this easier for you. Imagine a mob boss with several lieutenants. One of the lieutenants is the target of a wiretap. He is heard talking to another lieutenant. That wiretapped data could be used in an inquiry into the mob boss, even though he was not the target of that wiretap and was not caught in any of the wiretapping. Does that help?
     
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    So...the story is true? That's what the POTUS said.

    I've asked several times if those taps were known by Obama, or if it was some rogue investigation.
     
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    I don't know whether Trump said the story was true or not.

    What he did do was tweet that Obama had tapped his phones. And that is definitely NOT supported by the Jan 20 article. Trump just made it up.
     
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    Hey, it's your story. I'm just asking how it goes.

    The FBI has been investigating Obama's political opponents for at least 5 months prior to an election and he knows nothing about it? Or was this wiretapping done completely without his knowledge?
     
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    It says it right in the headline. Quit stalling and just answer the question: Is the story real or fake?
     
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    Read post 306. Neither the headline nor the article says that "Trump was Wire Tapped", as you claimed in 301.

    The story mentions wiretapping. The story also mentions Trump. The story does not say that Trump was wiretapped.

    If that is all you've got, you have failed.
     
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    So now the story is fake? Then the NY Times needs to apologize to the POTUS for lying about him and admit it reports fake news.

    OR, like I've been saying all along, someone might ask the authors of the story for their sources.
     
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    I don't know if you are being obtuse or if you just are not capable of rational thought.

    It is not my story. You are the one who brought it up.

    The story mentions wiretapping.

    The story also mentions Trump and his aides.

    That does not mean that Trump or his aides were wiretapped.

    The story also mentions Russia. Do you think that means that Trump is Russian?
     
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    Wrong he heard the Judge say it, go read the OP and other reporting.

    Link to your source that says Napolitano heard it from Trump first in a tweet. The White House statements have been quite the opposite.
     
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    What do you mean the story is fake? What do you say is a lie about Trump?

    I have already said - I personally do not have any reason to disbelieve the story.
     
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    So now the source for Trump's tweets is Napolitano?
     
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    It is your version of the NY Times article. Trump said that is one source of his being wiretapped and the very headline supports it. His campaign was being wiretapped and the information was passed to Obama's WH.

    Now the question becomes, did Obama not know that his intelligence agencies were wiretapping his political opponents?
     
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    Then Trump was right again.
     
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    No - the headline does not support Trump's tweets. The headline does not support the idea that Trump was wiretapped.

    The headline says there was wiretapping.

    It says there is an enquiry against Trump aides.

    It says the wiretapping is being used in the enquiry.

    That does not mean that any Trump aides were either the target of wiretapping or were even heard in any wiretapping.
     
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    You will obviously believe whatever you want to believe, regardless of the fact that there is no evidence to support your belief.
     
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    His aides in his campaign were being wiretapped and the information was passed to the Obama WH. Since last July, at least.

    Is your version that Obama did not know about this, or that he did know about it?
     
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    You haven't grasped it yet, but we'll get there.
     
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    the truly telling part of all this is as bad as Obama wanted Hillary to win, given all the efforts he displayed in the closing weeks if not months as he neglected his presidential duties and flew around the country on tax payer monies campaigning for Broom Hilda , surely he would have exposed, or had someone else expose what he found in his eavesdropping endeavors of the Trump campaign. And he came up with nothing.

    All Russia did was help get out there what they found on Hillary.
    No lies, no made up conspiracies, just the Gods honest truth that the most despicable woman to ever walk this earth was asking to be our president, and that we should all know that without a shadow of a doubt before we voted. And we did.

    Trump 306
    Hillary 225

    current scoreboard check

    Trump 306
    Dems 225
     
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    So is the story fake or not? Was Trump wire tapped or not? The headline says so, the story says surveilled. It's either a fake story designed to damage the Trump Presidency or a real story proving Trump and/or his aides were wire tapped.

    How did the New York Times even come up with a fake story yet it seems to mirror a real investigation?
     
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    Yes. Trump said as much.

    "At a wide-ranging and occasionally tense news conference after their first in-person meeting Friday, President Trump and German Chancellor Angela Merkel discussed trade and border policy — and had one notable exchange when Trump was asked about his unproven claims that former President Obama tapped the phones at Trump Tower last year.

    Trump declined the opportunity to retract the claim, telling the media that "we said nothing" when he tweeted, "How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process," and that he was merely quoting a "very talented legal mind" he had seen on Fox News.

    "You should be talking to Fox," Trump said.


    After the conference, Fox's Shepard Smith responded: "Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano's commentary," apparently referring to the report Trump cited."

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...o-face-meeting-trump-and-merkel-address-media
     
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