What can Trump do to lose his base?

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    You have been very misinformed. The FBI is in fact a clandestine spy agency. Google: G. Gordon Liddy.

    “The former British spy who authored a controversial dossier on behalf of Donald Trump’s political opponents alleging ties between Trump and Russia reached an agreement with the FBI a few weeks before the election for the bureau to pay him to continue his work, according to several people familiar with the arrangement.

    The agreement to compensate former MI6 agent Christopher Steele came as U.S. intelligence agencies reached a consensus that the Russians had interfered in the presidential election by orchestrating hacks of Democratic Party email accounts.”

    …”The revelation that the FBI agreed to pay Steele at the same time he was being paid by Clinton supporters to dig into Trump’s background could further strain relations between the law enforcement agency and the White House.”
    FBI once planned to pay former British spy who authored controversial Trump dossier, By Tom Hamburger and Rosalind S. Helderman, WASHINGTON POST, February 28, 2017.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...76c69081518_story.html?utm_term=.dd0cda1d03be

    The FBI is also the federal secret police.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Comey cleared Clinton. Remember?
     
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    First Liddy. You are right he was an FBI agent. However, he left the bureau in 1962 for two incidents unrelated to politics. He was then hired by the Nixon administration to be a secret agent inside of the administration to prevent leakage of confidential information. Not sure how this ties into the FBI at all.

    Second, the purpose of an investigation is to collect information. I am sorry that Steele was a previous British spy, but he has connections that can start to reveal where to look in regards to Russia. Do you know what it is called when a department pays someone else for their information - Consulting fees. I agree with you that there is a conflict of interest, as the Clinton campaign was also paying Steele for information. However, leads that the FBI generated from the Steele information, which can be verified through other sources does not make the evidence any less damning.

    At the end of the day regardless of how the information is obtained, if the evidence is verifiable by multiple sources it is true and should be used. It seems you think we shouldn't investigate Trump at all, because you don't believe the Steele report to be of any consequence. I don't know what you do for a living, but I don't think you are in the need to know group at the FBI. I am 100% sure they have other information other than the Steele dossier that suggests corruption or they would not be investigating.

    We investigated Hillary for much less than what Trump is being accused of and the right absolutely loved that. It is all I heard on FOX for months.

    Let us have our investigation. If Trump is innocent you have nothing to worry about. It would be irresponsible of the agencies who are responsible for government oversight to put the president above the law. That is what you are asking them to do by not digging deeper.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    As long as he makes progress reversing 8 years of fascism, I'm with him. When he starts letting up, he'll lose me. He almost lost me by not getting rid of enough of the Democrat's fascist healthcare takeover.

    Obama's 2016 Federal Register Just Topped Highest Page Count of All Time
    Clyde Wayne Crews • November 17, 2016
    President Barack Obama’s Federal Register, the daily depository of rules and regulations, added 572 pages today, and stands at 81,640 pages for 2016.

    This is the all-time record. Ever.

    Obama also held the prior record, 81,405 pages in 2010.

    The 80,000 page mark has been passed in only three previous years (2010, 2011, 2015).

    The chart below shows the highest 15 Federal Register Federal Register page counts. Note that Obama holds seven of the 10 highest-ever tallies.
    Federal Register Top 15 Nov 17 2016, all time high.jpg
     
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    For a starter, conservatives are promising to repeal & replace the Affordable Care Act, which would dissolve health care for 24 million Americans over the next few years, and by demolishing the mandate associated with that program, redirect the income from that mandate back to the pockets of the super wealthy of America as tax breaks. I don't remember the exact amounts, but it's in the teens of billions--all at the direct expense of the poor and middle class. The new tax cuts being initiated by Congress now will be huge cuts for the super wealthy while piling more tax demands on the shoulders of the poor and middle classes. One of Ryan's favorite ideas for tax changes is to start a new federal sales tax system to dampen the load from income taxes. Republicans have long suggested a set % of sales taxes would be fair because everyone would pay the same amount based on what they purchased. But that's a lie. Married couples making $35,000 per year spend most or all their income for basic living, so everything they bought would be taxed at the federal rate. That means they'd be taxed on near or all 100% of their income,which they used to buy things for survival & living. For a couple making >= $250,000 per year, even if they lived at a higher standard of living and purchased better quality items, the totals for their living expenses for the year would be a small percentage of their total income, so they'd end up only paying taxes on that smaller portion of their income--NOT 100%, as the poorer couple pays. Conservative, trickle-down Republicans are demonstrably working for the fortunate wealthy few, and have little or no regard or concerns for the average American. Trump is a prime example. Every member of his Cabinet is a billionaire or millionaire. None of them represent or care to represent the needs or concerns of the legions of non-wealthy in America. Every non-millionaire voter in America who voted for the conservative candidate, voted against their own best interests.
     
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    This is not responsive to my posts on this subject. I have stated repeatedly that a grand jury should have been tasked to investigate all of these issues the day Sessions was confirmed. Did you miss that?

    The nicest thing police call people they pay for information is "paid informant". Surely you know that.

    “The latest official to throw cold water on the MSNBC-led circus is President Obama’s former acting CIA chief Michael Morell. What makes him particularly notable in this context is that Morell was one of Clinton’s most vocal CIA surrogates. In August, he not only endorsed Clinton in the pages of the New York Times but also became the first high official to explicitly accuse Trump of disloyalty, claiming, “In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.”

    But on Wednesday night, Morell appeared at an intelligence community forum to “cast doubt” on “allegations that members of the Trump campaign colluded with Russia.” “On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire at all,” he said, adding, “There’s no little campfire, there’s no little candle, there’s no spark. And there’s a lot of people looking for it.” THE INTERCEPT, Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion, Glenn Greenwald, March 16 2017.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16...-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/

    Morell is trying to tell people like you is that the Russia collusion attack line is not going to work. Do you believe him?
     
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    Supreme Leader Trump is giving us FREE golden rain! God bless you Lord and Master Trump!
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah look at that. The perfect Trump voter.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol... your post is so full of ****. A person would have to have had their head up their ass to believe that "When Obama won his first term you never heard anyone on the right go around saying he is not our president, they got over it."
     
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    Where were all the demonstrations and riots when Obama won. Anything that occurred back then was minuscule compared to the amount of crybabies and wimps we hear from after this election.
     
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    I am proud I didn't vote for that treasonous criminal Hilary.
     
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    Didn't Jared Kushner sell the Intercept the same day Trump won the election?

    Boy, did I get that wrong.. It was the Observer on inauguration day.....
     
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    Indeedy-doody. If the anti-Trump brigade think it's bad now they ought to reflect on how bad it would be if she had become POTUS. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    So, do you think The Intercept and Morell are pro Trump? ;-)
     
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    I am completely confused since I thought the Observer was the Intercept. :?
     
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    Which is as good an excuse as any for not answering my question. ;-)
     
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    How many Trump rallies did you attend. I attended one, by invitation, but I did not take the inference that you took, not at all.

    It is obvious that we define 'xenophobia' differently. I do not take the inference that such a fear exists in Trump or his supporters. I am among those who see the 'xenophobia' charge as much more telling of those who level the charge, and it doesn't say anything good. It does, however, explain how their election expectations were so far from reality.
     
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    The best way for Trump to alienate someone like me (arch-fiscal, right-wing Conservative -- NOT the "social" variety) would be to keep on screwing around with healthcare!

    Dear Mr. President Trump,

    STOP! Please STOP!

    Let Obamacare go on and commit suicide exactly as Democrats have set it up to do! None of us on the Right have to come charging into this socialist-lite DISASTER and "rescue" it. After it has fully crashed-and-burned, THEN come in with new ideas, but you must let this Obamacare travesty die on its own, and make damn sure that everyone remembers that this was a DEMOCRAT disaster from start to finish. There have been no Republican fingerprints on it, so, please, leave it alone!

    Go on to much more important things -- Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, developing an entirely new, fair U. S. Tax Code, the economy, and a hundred other things....

    Tell these Leftist morons, "If you like your Obamacare, you can KEEP your Obamacare!" Democrats created this monstrosity in a vacuum -- and now, let it DIE that way. Leave it alone! :please:
     
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    Looking at the democrat's bench.... nothing.
     
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    I don't know if they fear, but they definitely hate them. It's more in the latter sense that I am using the term. Without altogether discarding the former. .Both meanings are correct, though.

    Well, my expectation was that Hillary would win the elections. If that's what you mean, you are correct in that was not what really happened.. But, other than that, Trump has, so far, met every other expectation I have had about his presidency: incompetence, dishonesty, lack of leadership, complete absence of self-responsibility, embarrassing us with our allies, and lots and lots of xenophobia.
     
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    I believe Morell is taking the cautious approach to Trump's involvement with Russia. He is right that all the evidence that has been brought forth, especially in regards to Steele, is circumstantial and as such "smoke." However, with Flynn stating he as a story to tell and will tell it for immunity, and all of the links between Trump staffers and the Kremlin, there may be something hidden in the smoke. Unless we keep looking for it, we will never find it.

    If the FBI returns and states that Russia influenced the election, but Trump was not a willing participant (although he told them to hack Hillary), I will accept that fact and move on. Until that happens I am still going to ask the question.

    If the FBI does state Russia influenced the election, shouldn't the United States take action against Russia? If Trump does not make these orders, at this point would it become collusion? If Trump turns a blind eye to what Russia did, he has then become a participant in helping Russia by the very nature of doing nothing.
     
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    What should we do? Do you think we should go to war with Russia over some hacking? Sanctions would do nothing at all. Aside from sanctions and stern words there is no more we can do except declare war and that would not be a good thing.
     
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    Trump has no healthcare plan and ACA is not sustainable. You ever consider the human toll for Trump's decisions?

    Trump's "tax plan" won't pass..
     
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    It took 15 months for Obama care to come about and you think Trump should wave a magic wand and make one just appear to replace it.
     
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    The Republicans have had six years to write a healthcare plan. They know what to do and they are afraid to do it because they can't stand up to the insurance companies.
     

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