I'm A Liberal, Ask Me Anything

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  1. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would still like to know what percentage of your income you would be willing to pay in order to provide Universal Health Care to all Americans.
     
  2. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Not HIS income, silly. Bet hes willing to take 50% from those evil corporations and billionaires. The liberal dream.
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's his conundrum, Miss Smartie. He told me he pays 35% of his income in income taxes. That is the very top bracket. He's a liberal, but if the rich had to pay the most for Universal Health Care, that would mean ... you guessed it ... him.

    Liberal, but rich. Universal health care is such a wonderful thing to liberals ... until you point at them and tell them, "You're paying for it."

    Then it's like, "What? Who? Me?"
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Interesting, but Im suspicious. Liberal rich is like liberal Christian... Im sure they exist, but Ive never met one. ;)
     
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    Do liberal positions on these social issues and working class values have anything in common?
    Are libs willing to admit it if they don't? Do you realize those social issues were also a cause for you losing?
     
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    1) we agree.
    2) we agree
    3) other than the national data base, and interstate transport/ sales, I think it best Congressional policy to allow states to regulate to its needs. What is good smart policy in northern Alaska or eastern Oregon, will not be in LA, or Pittsburg.
    4) 'School choice' options have a lot of support in urban areas, especially in some inter-city largely minority areas with a bad property/ income tax base, and some very indifferent support from state govt, and the flight of middle class parents who can afford to move. the people really stuck with the crappy schools are the poor who have no avenue to escape or pay those high tuitions. I think we might be able to promote some competition within cities and counties to reward schools for innovation or punish stagnation. If schools start having to compete for even the more economically marginal demographics, who still need some decent headcounts for federal funding. Noy t sure the best mechanism, but we have to do a better job to ensure the only parents without any school choice, are those with no income with which to pay a tuition, and no savings for a first month, security deposit and to fund a few months of joblessness, or a decent car for commutes.
     
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    I'll start off with a couple of things,and would like to hear if you think these are positive things or not . By the way democrats can support good things republicans do and vice versa. Doesn't make you a traitor to your party doesn't mean your suddenly pro trump it just means that you are a reasonable logical person

    1.A YUUUGE positive made possible by a republican president and republican senate is Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court .

    2.I would also say it's a good thing that more laws regarding illegal immigration are being enforced.

    I think you brought up a good point , how should it be determined what side wins a debate.i don't know the right answer but let's take the 2 points I made..

    First we have to discuss whether or not you agree or disagree with me and why.. not sure what would be a fair way to decide who wins yet. Let's first establish our views and then come up with something after points are made etc,
     
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    It isn't so much that I'm telling you to get a life as I am telling you to get a job. If you had substantial cash flow you would find something better to do so we can draw the conclusion that you are broke. Now, someone is paying for your food, rent, utilities, laundry, and toilet paper. I think it is safe to assume you aren't paying for these things yourself. If you had a job to pay for these things you wouldn't have the time to post so much. If you were independently wealthy, you would have better things to do than to post so much. I guess what I am getting at is how much of the $37,000 I paid in income tax last year is going to you and your nonproductive lifestyle.
     
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    y do u h8 huwite ppl?
     
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    Try Hollywood, Brentwood or anything around Central Park.
     
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    Lol, feeling better about yourself yet kiddo?
     
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    What's for dinner?
     
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    Yeah, but liberals dont hate other liberals, not even rich ones. I was thinking more along the lines of successful liberal business people. The only ones I know made their money off the federal govt.
     
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    Ben and Jerry.
     
  15. BobbySerious

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    3) but without a federal policy it's kind of pointless. Just look at Chicago, their strict laws are meaningless because they are surrounded by places without them.

    4) I don't blame the people in poor areas for wanting to get their kids in a charter school, I'm sure I'd want the same. But the long term solution is to fix the public schools. The problem isn't public education, it's the socioeconomic conditions in those neighborhoods.
     
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    Here's one.....
    If $10/ hr. is a good mandated minimum wage that would help America prosper, wouldn't $20/hr. be twice as good? I want to see your liberal logic at work here.
     
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    Lol, I bet you really believe this. I live in Montgomery County PA, just outside of Philly. It's a very wealthy area, as are most of the suburbs surrounding Philly, filled with professionals from the countless corporations, many Fortune 500, in the area.

    And most are liberal. Trump got crushed in these areas...by upper middle class to rich white liberal business people.

    You know those "hate has no home here" signs? They are everywhere. I'd say half the people on my street, where houses go from 500k to over a million bucks, have them. And everyone I know is some form of a business profession.

    That's what you get when you have educated people who were raised with hate and ignorance.
     
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    Actually, over the last 30-40 years the minimum wage should have reached $21.72 an hour in if it kept up with increases in corporate profits and worker productivity, according to a March study by the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

    But as we all know, most of the gains have gone the super wealthy, which is why the poor have gotten poorer and the middle class is now barely hanging on.
     
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    Just got back from Easter dinner. My wife's family, Eastern European cuisine. I hate it, but I bet trump would just love it.
     
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    Most Americans agree with liberals on most social issues, in many cases overwhelmingly so.

    That being said, in some cases social media created a bullying environment that sometimes absolutely hurt liberal causes more than they helped. Thankfully, I'm hearing more and more liberals admitting this, so I'm hopeful not to see as much of this.
     
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    Hey Bobbie, you're really just doing the equivalent of talking to yourself. But there are scientific papers stating that liberalism is a mental disorder.
     
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    I'm suffering from all the smoked pork ribs I just ate.
     
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    I'd pay whatever the % required would be for a modern, efficient universal healthcare system. As every other industrialized nation has shown, I would still be coming out ahead of the game once I no longer had to pay my insurance premiums.

    Most Americans think these other countries pay so much more in taxes than us, but never do the math to figure out that when you take into account the things we pay for out of our pockets that they don't, they are coming out ahead of the game.
     
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    Why did you have to hijack a beautiful term like 'Libetalism' to cover up your inner Socialist? I do understand that Socialism needed a new term to still appear as cute and sh*t, but couldn't you choose a term that wasn't already taken?
     
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    Fox is just one piece of the machinery. Granted, it was the one that really changed things as it took what was once kook right wing batshittery am radio talk and mainstreamed it, normalized it, gave it the appearance of credibility.
     

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