Librarians School Ivanka Trump After Tone-Deaf Tweet

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  1. Spim

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    sorry to be a hair splitter on this, but 75cents is not a big deal, based on my local taxes it is less than 3% of my total cost, I don't consider that to be very difficult.

    The original tweet was a simple "shout out" and pleasant enough, the responding tweets ignored the fact that we're talking about a miniscule amount, the implication in their responses "cut out all of our federal funding" doesn't clarify the tiny amount up for discussion. If I hadn't seen the math and checked my own tax bill I would have left with the thought that this funding loss was actually something the local library would struggle to figure out how to recapture, I think they will be just fine with a 3% cut. At least locally the only difference that would mean is less expensive marble columns, our two new libraries lead me to believe that we are swimming in money and we are NOT.
     
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    Sadly, you just have to look to the M East to see what a future under Trump would look like.
     
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    Onus is entirely on you to prove that libraries are "obsolete".

    The statistics I provided earlier in this thread demonstrate that libraries are frequently used and that includes everyone from toddlers to seniors.

    Libraries provide all kinds of free services to the public and are the most popular government service of We the People.
     
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    How long should we fund a dying industry? Until YOU say so?


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2015/04/28/do-we-need-libraries/#1da8707f6cd7

    The disruption begins with products. The smartphone, as Larry Downes and Paul Nunes explain in their book, Big Bang Disruption, is resulting in a huge array of products becoming obsolete:

    Address books, video cameras, pagers, wristwatches, maps, books, travel games, flashlights, home telephones, dictation recorders, cash registers, Walkmen, Day-Timers, alarm clocks, answering machines, yellow pages, wallets, keys, phrase books, transistor radios, personal digital assistants, dashboard navigation systems, remote controls, airline ticket counters, newspapers and magazines, directory assistance, travel and insurance agents, restaurant guides and pocket calculators.


    But the disruption isn’t limited to products. Whole sectors of commerce are under threat.

    Physical banks with branches, tellers and checks are being replaced by online banking with mobile payments and digital wallets.

    Taxis are being replaced by Uber and Lyft.

    Video rental stores like Blockbuster have given way to online streaming by Netflix and Amazon.

    Television networks are facing similar inroads.

    Venerable retail clothing chains are being undermined by fast fashion firms like Zara and H&M, with product cycles that are completed in weeks, rather than a year.

    And who needs to buy a car when there is Zipcar or Car2Go?

    Do we really need huge hotels when a firm like Airbnb has 800,000 listings in 33,000 cities?

    Most physical book stories like Borders have already succumbed to Amazon, and paper books are being replaced by the Kindle and other devices.
     
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    I recommend that you reread the 1st Amendment. Nowhere does it prohibit the free speech of the POTUS to express support for freedom of religion.
     
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    Its 75 cents when spread across all Americans.

    Since the grants are likely targeted at areas of need, if it was all funded locally, you would have the poorest areas being taxed heavily, and the wealthiest areas being taxed not at all. That makes sense to you?

    The POINT of a federal program is to spread the cost of such things, so that the per-capita cost is tiny, and the people who need the most help get it.
     
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    This concept escapes so many.
     
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    From the link above . . .

    In the Creative Economy, it’s the opposite. The management ideology is horizontal. The central goal of the organization is to delight the user or customer. The values are enablement, self-organization and continuous improvement to add value to the user or customer.

    These two ideologies—the vertical ideology of the Traditional Economy and the horizontal ideology of the Creative Economy—are incompatible. They have fundamentally different dynamics. When you try to plug Agile self-organizing teams into a hierarchical bureaucracy, you get continuing friction. It’s not sustainable. Either the horizontal ideology will take over the organization or the vertical ideology will crush the Agile self-organizing teams.

    Forward-looking firms like Apple, Amazon, Zappos and Zara have embraced this different management ideology. Many books are now available describing management in the Creative Economy. The transition is being driven by economics.

    The choices for the incumbents of the Traditional Economy are simple: change or die. Some organizations might decide, like Borders or Blockbuster, to die. Staying on the same course is not an option.
     
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    I live in NYC and libraries are far from "obsolete". Loaning out books is just one service they provide and guess what? Some of us still even purchase books with real pages and prefer them to computer screens.
     
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    Ironic that you ignored the relevant part of that article entirely because it didn't fit into your Trump greed driven agenda.

     
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    Librarians are smart and well educated and are adapting libraries to be relevant to the future already.
     
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    Libraries are becoming community centers in so many respects. Now that malls are losing popularity more and more young people are using their local libraries instead. Instead of spending money they are gaining knowledge that will help them with their lives.
     
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    So we should fund them because of something that is NOT their purpose and what did they have a generator and a sat dish? I'm sure there were plenty of other places phones could be charged and internet found.
     
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    Ugh, how surprising the librarians are all Liberals (lol). Just leave Ivanka alone, she is just saying what she is supposed to say. It is not like anyone really cares. Basically, her tweet is like those birthday-blessings one gets from random neighbours and old classmates on their b-day. :p

    Anyways, I do not see why cutting funds is bad for libraries. In fact, all libraries should be private; that would both raise salaries for librarians as well as raise quality of the service, with specialised libraries, the librarian who is interested in- and knows alot about, say, linguistics could seek himself to the library specialising on literature of that field. This we also avoid people crying over "offensive literature" or being mad about the lack of certain books. :D
     
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    16 million spend on admin. 65 employees with benefits and pensions, office space, computers, travel expenses, etc... that averages out to 245K per employee, to distribute money.

    I don't consider 7% to be "substantial" waste TBH but In the same respect i'd be fine if its gone, you can't EVER figure out how to balance the federal budget if you don't address not only big issues (military) but also take baby steps but cutting this and many other similar discretionary programs out. After we figure out the budge, then we still have a whopping 20 trillion $ issue to solve.
    https://www.imls.gov/about-us/legislation-budget/imls-budget
     
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    Who's purging them? State and local libraries are not the responsibility of the federal government here so stop trying to tell us what we should do when you don't know how our government operates.
     
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    Since it was relatively new library all of the cabling was underground and was not impacted by the hurricane. While it was incidental to the primary purposeof the library but still hugely gratifying that the surrounding community gravitated to the place where they were welcome.
     
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    I read and no I do not use a public library, haven't been in one in decades, no need. I can do any research on the internet and get more books online than our local library. It also saves trees you know, I would have thought you liked that.
     
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    OH that's a great reason we should keep federal funding for libraries.................:eyepopping:
     
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    I guess the poster has never been to a public library and does not realize they offer computer and various tech services as well.
    https://www.usnews.com/education/bl...libraries-offer-more-than-just-books-to-teens
     
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    I have just always loved libraries.. In Arabia I went twice a week. Now I probably go 2-3 times a month.
     
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    ??? Such as?
     
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    Using them for what? If your city needs a meeting space them build a cheap meeting space that doesn't have to have books and librarians.
     
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    Knee jerk reaction? Come on, you really think ALL that grant $$$$ is tracked by the Fed & there's no waste? What planet are living on?
     
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    Good for you, I used to go to the library several times a week as a kid back in the 50's and 60's. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore technology is making them obsolete and your local and state government can fund them.
     

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