Susan Rice Did Nothing Wrong, Say Both Dems and Republicans

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  1. Your Best Friend

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    So for you, he has credibility when you find it convenient.
    Well...that in itself is incredible.
     
  2. PrincipleInvestment

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    If Trump started declassifying FISA material critics would decry his meddling, and claim evidence was tainted. He related his suspicions to the appropriate body, and removed himself entirely. Perfect. Let the chips fall where they may.
     
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    So you agree with him it was legal?
     
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    Please let him declassify........he won't dare.
     
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    I think the whole world is anxiously awaiting Comey's testimony, among others, and more so the FBI's investigative findings.

    Chaffetz isn't going to run for re-election. I anticipate this being a long investigation- both the FBI's and the Congressional ones. The House has basically just gotten started, and slowed due to Nunes's foot dragging. If it extends to after the 2018 mid-terms, things may change dramatically.
     
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    Okay. Fair enough. Though I note you ignore option #3 in my list.

    Bullshit. You do not "relay suspicions to the appropriate body" by PUBLICLY ACCUSING PEOPLE IN LATE-NIGHT TWEETS BEFORE YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE ACCUSATIONS.

    Your credibility is rapidly disappearing.
     
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    Because you can attest that Trump was not in possession of the docs he gave Nunes when he alleged surveillance? Did he need to, or would an NSA / FBI agent relaying the details be enough to warrant his comments? That FISA warrant & unmasking was going to come up without question. It falls to Comey to prove his case, and defend his collection methods. He's going to get his chance.
     
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  8. MrTLegal

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    Wouldn't you agree that Trump could resolve your questions in the most direct and efficient manner though? Do you care about saving taxpayer money and time or did you want to keep this distraction going as long as possible?
     
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    Based on multiple opinions from individuals within both parties that have reviewed the documents and practices in question.
     
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    The part you miss is that if you have suspicions and want them investigated, you do not "relay that information to the appropriate body" by means of a public tweet that accuses people of the thing you want investigated -- as if the investigation has already been conducted and you have evidence to support the accusation. You wait until the investigation has been conducted to make public accusations. You certainly do not make public accusations and then refuse to provide any supporting evidence for them. It's not like Trump said, "The evidence is there, but classified. I have referred it to Congress for investigation." No, he COMPLETELY FAILED to cite any evidence, instead demanding that Congress investigate to see if it could come up with any evidence to support his unsubstantiated accusation.

    Do I need to explain why what Trump did was immoral, juvenile and stupid? I guess I do.

    If you publicly accuse someone of something, without providing any evidence, you risk unfairly slandering that person.

    That should give ANY actual adult pause. But it's orders of magnitudes worse when the person making the accusation is the President, who has the biggest megaphone in the world.

    The other reason you don't accuse without evidence is that if you turn out to be wrong, you come off looking like an idiot. As Trump is.
     
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    That all depends on Rice's motives. Of course it's legal to unmask individuals under certain instances but how could Rice's actions be seen as anything but partisan and politically motivated?
    Is it "legal" for the NSA to spy on the political foes of the president? We all know the answer to that.
     
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    If all parties agree national security is irrelevant to the resolution of this issue, then yes. However, if Comey has a case to present the burden lies with him. Suspects / defendants have no obligations.
     
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    It's a totally unsupported claim. When one considers actual facts, and not just the
    assurances of partisans, the issue becomes not nearly as black and white as you would like to pretend.
     
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    Says the same choir who defended Obama, Hillary & Rice lies about Benghazi.
     
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    How about the fact both people she unmasked are under federal investigation? One lies about taking money from turkey and Russia and one worked with Russian spies!
     
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    Difference being that the Republicans investigated the sh!t out of it for every and still could not make any headway.
     
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    Yah and now they're all in prison...oh wait!
     
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    Please, please tell me you see the fact that your allegation can be lodged back at you, word for word.
     
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    The FBI already laid out their case because the FISA court. The FISA court granted and then re-authorized the request.

    Your side is the one making the accusation against Comey and Rice, so that make him the suspect/defendant and thus - according to your logic - they have no obligation.
     
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    If Rice had only unmasked those two individuals, and not "dozens" of other people, you might have a point. But she didn't and you don't.

    Put another way, so perhaps you will see, if I take one hundred people randomly off the street and jail them, I may have inadvertently
    put several criminals behind bars, and that would be good. But what about all the others? Not so good.
    Let me know when you figure things out.
     
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    They have an obligation to prove the warrant was legally obtained, and that Comey made no false representations in his petition for that warrant. The parties concerned all know the roles they have to play. Have no fear, the truth will be brought out.
     
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    Oh well then show me the proof it's dozens
     
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    Actually the FISA court turned down the request and they had to narrow them down and I have little confidence in the reasons they may have presented to a FISA court.
     
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    You are not a FISA court judge, so your confidence matters very little.
     
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    You keep on hoping that something, somehow will show up to vindicate Trump.

    It doesn't look like the latest reports are going in that direction:
    Devin Nunes worked with Trump administration to create a fake scandal about Susan Rice: report
     
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