Librarians School Ivanka Trump After Tone-Deaf Tweet

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  1. DivineComedy

    DivineComedy Well-Known Member

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    There is an idiot preacher on one of the channels, and the “others” here contains a direct quote of his:

    "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of [those that believe blacks are Kenites the descendants of Cain and the mark is upon them].” (Obama)

    "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of [those that believe blacks are Kenites the descendants of Cain and the mark is upon them]." (Clinton)

    One of my cousins, who never goes to the library, asked me about him; I had to read a book for him.

    How was the Sundance respected, or the Mormon’s faith respected when we almost went to war against them? What about the Digambara, is that faith respected?

    Now you may claim Islam is not a faith, and in your public library, you can find where MoHamMad made a distinction between faith and Islam.

    The Southern Democrat faith was not respected by the 13th and 14th amendments, and the Northern Faith won. All one has to do is go to their public library and research the religious arguments of the time, in newspapers and so forth not all on the Internet yet.
     
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    Here is a blog if you care to read it that can, at the very least, give you an insight into the need for libraries. Books are critical to history and the future. You just have to look to the M East and see that libraries are the first to go in order to erase history.
    http://www.librariesareessential.com/why-are-libraries-essential/
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    So you cannot cite a single law and or amendment that needs to be changed? :eek:
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    I actually like libraries (and book shops), those places are really fascinating to me. I prefer owning a book to borrowing it, but I see deep value in having libraries.
     
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    So is mine.. Man does not live by bread alone.
     
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    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    Nope, don't worry, you didn't miss it. And hey, if you want to believe the fairy tale fed grant programs are squeaky clean, be my guest. I'm not that naive.
     
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    Just because you don't have a local library doesn't mean books will disappear! Gosh, the fear mongering is unreal!
     
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    I actually did some of our local CERT class but dropped out due to work/family commitments and couldn't finish. It was educational and this is a reminder that I should start up again it was only 8 weeks long I did the first 3.

    You might be surprised at just how busy they are.

    I don't go to the Library often (usually only when a book is too pricey on kindle), but when I do go there are easily 30+ cars in the parking lot.
    I certainly 100% see its use and anybody that think's they are a complete waste probably hasn't visited on in a long long time.

    a boat load of computers, 20+, are ALL in use when I go. (duly noted mostly kids goofing off playing games but that's fine)
    a boat load of newspapers with a bunch of old people in there reading them.
    ton's of books to browse and a very nice reference section.

    I fully support the need for Local Libraries and I do agree with the statement that they are becoming more like community centers, I still remember taking my daughter there for chess lessons, I went there for a knot tying lesson about a year ago (very cool, met some nice people)

    if you get really bored (I was) you'll find that a lot of the grants are for enhancements, modifications, or setting up school tours, etc etc...

    After I read 3 or 4 of the grant proposals they all looked legit (generally non wasteful) although I was confused over the Cost Sharing aspect, but ADHD kicked in and I moved on but it helped soften my stance somewhat.

    Summary:

    In 2017 do I think that the Fed's need to spend money extra on Local Libraries/Museums not really, I think the city/state gov't can address whatever needs there may be and based on previous discussion the amount looks pretty tiny, personally I'd be absolutely fine if the whole budget is cut and employees let go. Trim the fat and don't stop there, keep trimming!
     
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    So your assumptions are true by default? No need to prove them? Must be nice.

    In case you're curious, every federal agency that receives money is required to file financial reports and audits. Every federal agency is subject to audit by its parent agency's Inspector General. Any member of Congress can request an audit of a specific agency if they feel it is wasting money. All grants made by federal agencies come with oversight requirements.

    So it would seem to me there is plenty of information out there if you want to actually identify and eliminate waste.

    But no, you just want to slander the whole enterprise. No need for proof. You just know!
     
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    I was just there a couple of weeks ago. Lol.

    I can see how libraries would be more necessary in some communities than in others. Do we need as MANY libraries as we have? Some of them are in very old and inefficient buildings too. There are a lot of problems upcoming for libraries in the future too.

    Amazon is planning on having their own library type of service. Of course there will be a nominal fee, but people will pay that for the convenience.
     
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    "Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated."
     
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    When you get to one of these updated facilities, grab the first dictionary, digital or otherwise, that you can get your hands on and look up the words "dense" and "belligerent".
     
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    Libraries should be locally supported.
     
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    There's a new data base that just went on line yesterday... funded by some billionaire.

    FACTSUSA tracks how taxes are spent.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-the-seattle-team-and-goals-behind-usa-facts/
     
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    Of course not! And I fully support your right not to pay for a service you do not see the purpose of, hence my suggestion to privatise libraries. :)

    The problem with public libraries, is that they are owned by "everyone" which in practice means no one owns them. Some libraries here in Sweden have been turned into recreation centres as noisy teenagers come there to play and throw peanuts at each other. Some of the books are in terrible condition and sometimes people do not even care to turn their bortowed book back. You get a penalty fee, but would not surprise me if it is possible to use the strategy of "ignore it 'til it's gone". :p

    Recently, a Swedish economist released a book about the costs of immigration. A book that was very hyped and many people were eager to read it. Despite a high demand for it, this one library refused to put it on their shelves because "it might be offensive". :laughing:
     
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    Libraries ARE locally supported.

    The federal grant money usually goes towards helping out libraries with special programs that they would otherwise not be able to afford for their patrons.
     
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    I happen to live in a town with one of the best universities in the country, but I still find it interesting to see it is quite hard to qualify for a spot in the MA-programme for library science. I do not think it is a dying profession.
     
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    Exactly. So the "outrage" is more bullshit, just like the "OMIGOD!!! Meals on Wheels is being defunded" LEFT LIE. The purpose of libraries is to have books and other information available to the public. The Feds pay for what? PC indoctrination "programs"?

    Please cite one of these "crucial" programs....
     
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    Our local library is in this HUGE old old building, probably from the 1800s or early 1900s. There are never a "lot" of people there.
     
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    All of those people will be complaining in 10-20 years when their occupation is defunct.
     
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    I was wondering who the first liberal with poor self control would be to start tossing out childish insults. :laughing:
     
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    Could you imagine having such poor self control that you get all worked up over a discussion about the future of the LIBRARY? And liberals wonder why normal people don't take them seriously? :D
     
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    I'm with you on that, although I seldom purchase books anymore. When I first started traveling frequently on business I purchased books for a couple years. Then one day I realized I was running out space and started adding up the expense. WOW...I started taking the library route and donated 90% of the books I'd purchased. Now, only purchase books I want to keep around for reference material.
     
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    If it happens it is just the natural course of the market. They will eventually find something else to do. :)

    However, I doubt physical libraries will disappear any time soon, as long as we have governments they will push the "education, education, education" and "no child left behind" paroles to give libraries a raison d'être (which in turn means they can demand more tax). :)

    At least schools and universities will always have libraries.

    When studying to become a librarian today alot of the courses are about communication and information and I would guess most librarians of today actually work with communication/information at some private company or at a gov agency. :)
     
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    You're the one making the claim. Please cite the IMLS programs you think are "PC indoctrination".

    And FYI, most of the IMLS grants are block grants to the states, who then decide what to do with the money....
     
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