"Nobody dies because they don't have access to health care."

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  1. Russ103

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    So you have no clue how much I pay and for what huh?
     
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    First, let's ask for the studies demonstrating that "strong indication."

    And second, BS.

    The opioid epidemic is simply a window into the greed in the health care industry. Getting that script requires a visit to the doctor ($), in many cases a urinalysis ($), and then the prescription itself. But, absent a major disease like cancer, a regular prescription isn't going to feed an addiction so the addict must go to several doctors which will not be covered by prescriptions.

    Ask yourself this question...

    When was the last time, if ever, you saw an ad for a drug that cured a disease?

    The opioid epidemic sits squarely in the doctor/pharmacy/drug company wheelhouse. Addiction generates revenues.
     
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    Would you like the exact dollar amount
     
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    I don't know how US health care worked. I thought you only got free medical help in an emergency. Are you saying if you are just concerned about something and go to hospital they will look you over? What about things like cancer screening? Is that free in the US? It would seem to me that if it is just emergency help you can get free then lots of people will die from not having health insurance as they will only get help when it is likely too late. I am sure I read years ago about people without health insurance not being able to get for instance aids medication. Is that true? If you need expensive medicine to stay alive and do not have medical insurance will the state provide your drugs? - and if you do get cancer or say something like Rheumatoid Arthritis will you get free treatment without insurance?
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Percentage will work just fine.
     
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    It will be different for everyone
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Will be"? Or is?
     
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    Hello, I'm Soggy, and believe in Bernie's plan forward here on healthcare reform. One other aspect along the lines of Bernie's medicare for all - which starts with Medicare age limit reduction to 62 or 60 to start with, is to just add a government option to the current healthcare by insurance system. Eventually, as the insurers opt out we will be left with single-payer system the vast majority of progressives want.
     
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    Is and will be
     
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    Respect is earned not handed out like Holloween candy. When the Trump Turd earns some I will give him some.
     
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    This is just beyond stupid.

    Just saw an article for Time that you probably based thus stupid comment off of. Even that article says that the reason for bankruptcy isn't stated.

    And to compare bankruptcy in 2010, at the height of the credit crunch and adjustable rate mortgages maturing and getting much more expensive to 2016 is like comparing hourly wages today compared to 1970.
     
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    I thought everyone knew this ****. Apparently not.
     
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    A. Correlation is not causation.
    B. There isn't even correlation if you actually look.
     
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    FACT. The huge tax cuts that Reagan enacted occurred right when the worm turned and the rich got extremely richer and the poor and middle class began slipping.
     
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    I probably should have said, "how classy or you"
    P.S. spellcheck on Halloween or you against that too?
     
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    What the hell are you smoking? We treat everyone - even illegal aliens, no questions asked.
     
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    Lots of cancer screenings are a waste of time anyway.

    You have a pair of identical twins. One is tested for prostate cancer. He gets a positive test and undergoes treatment. He dies about five years later.

    His twin brother is reluctant to go in for cancer screening but eventually does about two years after his twin. He also is diagnosed with cancer. He dies three years later.

    Both men die at the same time yet twin #1 is considered to have "lived with cancer" two years longer due to his earlier screening.
     
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    What does giving tax cuts to the rich have to do with providing healthcare to the least among us? The poor socialize business costs through low wages, lack of
    employer based health care, lack of pensions, ect.
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    It would seem some here think we could close all but acute care centers and all will be peachy keen.

    Even the folks in Idaho, the state with the largest survivalists controlled territories are giving him grief over the ignorance of his statement. Ignorance in his part or his belief that they are that ignorant. Take your pick.
     
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    You might not be turned away, but what happens if the acute condition you were treated for becomes chronic, and ongoing care would save your life? Who will pay for that?
    America has one of the world's most retarded and hopelessly ineffective healthcare systems in the world-unless you have money. No wonder you're ranked 37th; behind Costa Rica but just ahead of Slovenia. You must be so proud, being the world's richest and most advanced nation and all...
    http://thepatientfactor.com/canadia...zations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/
     
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    So you're saying that medical science is a waste of time.

    Please go away
     
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    What treatment for cancer do you get in an ER?

    They stabilize you and send you on your way
     
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    There are a great many who simply walk into the hospital and get care they don't pay for- that's not the same as having insurance, but it is access to health care. However, some whose pride dictates you don't take what you can't pay for often do put off health care, and no doubt some die because of the delay.
    On the other hand, a great many people go bankrupt and lose everything they worked and saved for all their lives because healthcare has become so outrageously expensive in America. A $5000 bill for an emergency room visit of less than 1 hour (including wait time) for example- I know, it was me suffering a severe muscle spasm.

    Why are the bills so high- resulting in insurance so expensive that many can't afford it?
    A major factor is the legal issues; the expenses of continuing litigation for profit from an aggressive legal industry that targets the health industry very successfully. How bad is this?
    A good reference to the extent of this is the per-capita legal saturation in America. A major operation in the US can be done in Spain for about the amount of the deductible you would have to pay if done with insurance in America. Ask yourself what percentage of the ads you see on TV are lawyers promising money to people who took some drug or had some medical procedure. These are what used to be called "ambulance chasers". It's not about justice most of the time- it's about profiting at the expense of everybody.

    Japan has 7 lawyers per 100,000 population. Great Britain is second highest in the world, with 87 lawyers per 100,000 population.
    America? We have 283. There is a direct correlation between the increase in medical costs and the number of lawyers.....
     
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    This is one of the most ignorant posts I have had the misfortune to read. I worked in cytopatholgy, screening cervical smears for abnormalities. I don't consider saving a life because I spotted cancer cells in time for the condition to be addressed, a 'waste of time', and neither, I suggest, would a female member of your family.
    http://www.webmd.com/women/news/20120301/study-reaffirms-pap-tests-save-lives
     
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    That is the rub of it. Some people simply do not avail themselves of the assistance available to them even if they are poor except driving to the ER. I drive past the free clinic every day to work. It is 3 buildings up from my work. There is never a line; there is never a filled parking lot and on many days when it is open, you seldom see the parking lot even half filled, and it isn't a huge parking lot. People just don't use it in great numbers. Across the road and up a couple buildings there is the other place that provides sliding scale medical assistance to people, it has a little bit better traffic than the health department, but not huge numbers, mainly because they have a shuttle system to get people two hours away to one of the few hospitals left in the state that will do elective surgeries on medicaid and indigent people, and it also run the local HIV/AIDS/HEP Clinic for the chronic drug users. A friend of mine's husband used to drive those shuttles for awhile. He said that basically most of the people they took back and forth were HIV patients.
     
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