As predicted------------the Comey hearing is a total bust for democrats

The assertion of fake news doesn't necessarily imply that there was zero interference from Russia. It implies that the connections to Trump and all associated innuendo is fake. For that matter, it applies to conclusions drawn about Trump across a wide swath of subjects. To pretend like the fake news claim is somehow exclusively tied to whether or not there was any level of Russian interference, is nothing short of a shameless Strawman Argument.

 

yesh... Thanks for expanding on the argument i was making.

 

Most talking heads are saying Trump is not in legal trouble.

It's all political butt hurt.

 

Yes, but the worst part about it is the number of people who are buying into the idea that Trump is in legal trouble simply because that's all they see when they open a newspaper or turn on the television. The drum beat has remained pretty constant, even though there is absolutely zero evidence of actual wrongdoing. Can political butt hurt be made contagious by the mainstream media? At one time, I thought that would be impossible, but now I'm not so sure...

 

Clinton was not in legal trouble after countless hearings over Benghazi and the e-mail thing. Yet, that didn't prevent the GOP to picture her in a jump suit. Then, she lost the election.

You can bet that continued questions over Trump's meddling in investigations and Russian connections will stick to him, whether true or not. That's the nature of the beast, smearing works, and the GOP has perfected the method. Now they have no grounds to cry after the shoe is on the other foot.

 

The only connection I have ever asserted about it is that The Russians wanted Trump to win, and that they interfered in the election to that end.

As far as connections between Russia and Trumps campaign members, (not Trump himself), there are many odd connections. I've never said that any particular conclusion is 'undeniable', but some seem very likely, including the conclusion that Russia wanted to keep up with how the election was going in order to better direct their propaganda in Trumps favor. Another (deniable) conclusion is that some of Trumps advisors were talking about softening the US position, and sanctions, coming from illegal Russian activities in the Ukraine and Syria.

All of which is likely to be denied, and may not even be technically illegal. But if any of it is true and they lie about it under oath it may, and I only pose may, be impeachable.

But everything I've heard from the right is that the whole idea of Russian involvement in the election is ridiculous. Which is certifiably wrong.

 

The OP might actually make sense if they:

Consider the liberation of Dachau to be a "Total bust for the allies".

 

Sitting in a waiting room watching CNNs analysis of the day is fracking hilarious. The spin is incredible. They're still talking about impeachment. What??? You can't impeach a POTUS because of what somebody thinks of them. They actually have to do something wrong. If there was any doubt CNN is dangerous this is it. It's embarrassing really.

I feel he fired me because of the Russia investigation? I feel I should be paid a $1k an hour. Doesn't make it true. And Hillary would have fired him because she thought he cost her the election....and the MSM would have cheered like Colberts clueless audience did. Watching those puppets talk what a great man Comey is contrasted with what they thought of him a few months ago is fracking insane!!!!

 

Ive not heard anyone labeling any level of Russian involvement being fake news. The implication of Russian hacking into vote totals, Russian collusion, Russia having a major impact etc are the subjects that Ive heard being called fake news. Nobody is fighting the notion of small levels of involvement from Russia. Its the vast conspiracy innuendo that is being labeled fake news.

 

Benghazi involved the death of a U.S. Ambassador and others. The "e-mail thing" involved the handling of classified documents on an insecure system, the deletion of thousands of documents in direct violation of FOIA requirements, and a general mode of operating that seemed to place the Secretary of State above the law.

Trump's involvement with Russia? What is that, exactly? He enjoys Russian salad dressing? Still waiting for evidence of even the appearance of wrongdoing.

 

Hope so. Because so far he has been a neutered joke.

Pence could really get the conservative agenda passed through congress

 

Nazi reference, everyone drink

 

How you are able to twist and turn boggles the mind.

 

If you watched the hearing you'd know the FBI was investigating the Russian involvement quite awhile before the election. The Russians were hacking hundreds of US political groups during 2016, according to Comey it was a massive effort to affect the election. And he was willing to say all of that on television under oath.

Minor is a very deceptive word to use in this case.

 

that makes two of us who were watching a different hearing.

 

Russia has been "meddling" in elections worldwide for many years. That's not REALLY a new state of affairs. What is new is using it as an excuse for losing. If you want to call it massive or minor, I suppose is a semantical argument without a clear cut answer as to what constitutes massive and what constitutes minor. The narrative on this meddling has always been that it is about creating doubt in the democratic process. The typical response would be for us to downplay those efforts so as not to give them a PR win in actually sowing seeds of doubt. The massive over reaction that you see now from the left is PRECISELY what they sought.

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-election-meddling-20170330-story.html

 

They stop listening as soon as they hear what they want.

Comey clearly stated that he interpreted Trump asking him to let Flynn go as a directive, not as an absent minded wish. The setting Comey described which included all others being directed out of the room by Trump, sounded like it was designed for him to take the request seriously, not a place for pondering trivialities.

 

No, they just wanted Trump to win.

The rest of this is inevitable.

 

"I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."

 

While none of us know for sure, there is nothing that logically indicates that Russia would favor Trump being in power. While I realize that is a common narrative amongst the left that goes unchallenged, it REALLY doesn't make any sense. The American left has historically ALWAYS been FAR more favorable towards Russia, while the right has always taken a more hardline approach. That much cannot legitimately be denied. On top of that, as Secretary of State, Hillary was cozy with Russia ( to say the least) regarding the Uranium deal. Donald Trump on the other hand, has vowed to significantly increase defense spending while also reasserting American dominance, in addition to being HIGHLY unpredictable. All of which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what Russia would logically want in an American leader. The speculation that Russia wanted Trump requires that we COMPLETELY ignore the above realities.

If we are going to say that Russia has tried messing with numerous democratic elections worldwide ( which is basically accepted as fact), it is FAR more likely that they are simply trying to create chaos with the goal of trying to undermine confidence in the democratic process worldwide. If they were trying to undermine Hillary specifically as opposed to just being able to get into the Dem server and not the Repub, it would be logical to conclude that like everyone else, they thought that Hillary would win, and were trying to undermine the legitimacy of whom they assumed would win.

The notion that they went to such great lengths to attempt to get such a long shot elected for some grand payoff at the end, is far fetched to say the very least. The left keeps telling themselves that Russia wanted Trump, and they are never challenged on that notion, regardless of the fact that it really doesn't make that much sense. The far more logical assumption would be that they were merely trying to create chaos.

Occams Razor.

 

You may be quite possibly correct. How does he differ from the obama, clinton,and bush administrations?

 

That's what we get for having a media that is religiously committed to the Obama/Pelosi/Reid political ideology.

 

You are going to see a massive 'over reaction' from the left AND the right, because their meddling in our elections is only the tip of the iceberg, according to Comey during today's hearing.

 

If you'd care to elaborate and explain what you are trying to say, i'd be happy to reply.

 

During the hearing this morning, Comey said that the Russians are hacking into hundreds or more American corporate computers.