A word from the wise

"If we just disband the military, we don't have to argue about who can serve in it."

I have friends who are passionate about LGBTQ community issues. Friends who are part of that community, others who are not but are passionate in making sure no one should have to stay in the closet. Disbanding the military, or reducing it extensively, would avoid unnecessary problems like whether or not transgender people can serve. It's as ridiculous as when there was outrage over the Boy Scouts of America having issues with gay scoutmasters. What have people who identify themselves as transgender done to harm the military? What makes the notion of serving less masculine if you feel like a woman or man on the inside?

It definitely was an attack from left field, as Obama was only able to remove the restriction on LGBT recruits a couple years ago, moving away from the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" era. So, I pose the question to those who support Trump why there is such an issue with LGBT citizens serving in the military? What have they done to create such an objection on your behalf?

 

I consider their actions to be vulgar, repulsive and immoral.

The government has no business giving official sanction, tolerance or acceptance to them.

 

How is a guy receiving estrogen injections to grow breasts vulgar, repulsive and immoral? And vice versa with a woman and extra shots of testertone. What is the rationale for looking upon these people with such disdain?

 

I don't think any certain type of mentally ill people deserve more attention from the other kinds.

 

I think this was just a trump "Idea" and he thru out GENERALS as if colluding with them to do this... I bet $1000.00 none of them would state what he has claimed was DECIDED... None. Just a lie and this is how he operates. The MSM gave him the benefit of doubt not thinking he would flat out lie about it like this... Bet he did.. At the same time, I would never want to be in a trench with someone that isnt strong mentally and physically... There is a way to weed out those not capable, or wanting sex changes... Twitter isn't the answer....

 

It's largely a cost issue. How much does a sex change operation cost? How much do the drugs they have to take to maintain the breasts or whatever cost? Why would the taxpayers want to pay for such a thing?

 

Should others have to live by your subjective moral code?

In a free/ish country the government should not take action against harmless issues. I see this as yet another broken Trump campaign promise.

 

Wait, I served in the Army and then the Army truly had laws to prosecute homosexuals. As to transgenders, don't know. Then it was not an issue.

To convert the woman into a man costs so much money, if they wanted to enter as a man, do it first. Convert the man into the woman first. Do not put a man into the army to turn him into a woman.

But believe me, all the military had laws against homosexuals. I am not clear why that changed.

 

Trying to alter something so basic as gender is an insult to your very humanity. An insult to God if you believe in one or evolution if you worship that. Or you believe in both.

 

I don't consider it "subjective" but I'll let that go for the moment.

And the answer is yes. That is why I bother voting.

 

"According to (Senator) Duckworth,the Defense Department spent $5.6 million on transgender healthcare in 2016 compared to $41 million on Viagra and $84 million on erectile disfunction."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/transgender-surgery-military-Viagra/2017/07/26/id/804035/

 

The title to this thread is "A word from the wise"

Did I miss it as I didn't see anything even remotely wise in the opening comment. - thread 1.

 

And why the HELL would we be paying for those either for that matter? But no matter, I agree with what poster above said that at the very least they should have to finish their "transition" (and all cost of it) before joining. I wonder if some aren't just joining the military SO it will be paid for by the taxpayers?

 

I'm sure there are more men in the military (and those married to women in the military) that used Viagra/ED treatment, than needed TG healthcare. The DOD spent that money for Viagra/ED mainly for the retirees (and their husbands), and I'm sure that population is many times the population of TGs in the military. It's a false comparison, but then again, that's what democrats do.

 

Military retirees (and their husbands) are probably the main users of Viagra/ED treatment. They served their country, and get healthcare for life from the DOD. I have no problem with them getting tax-payer paid treatment for a medical problem.

 

Your personal feelings aren't the concern of govt (my bold) ... or shouldn't be. You need to provide better reasoning.

 

It has nothing to do with 'disdain', that's just your preferring understanding (and apparently, the personal feelings of a few old timey types). The reason such people have no place in the military is that they're bananas. Yes, that is a medical term.

 

Not insulting, unless you have odd pride issues. Inability to accept objective reality is a feature of a number of serious mental illnesses, and we should really feel pity for sufferers, rather than feel insulted.

 

Tyranny of the microscopic minority. leftists are exploiting transgenders to that end....they are merely a tool.

 

They are simply another of the far left's exotic pets. Middle class white folk love their exotic pets.

 

Yes, you are correct, the military used to have rules against gays serving openly, but, because there have ALWAYS been gays in the military, when attitudes started to change in the 90's, they came out with DADT, which was one of the stupidest rules I've ever seen. And then, when the folly of the DADT rule was proven, it was decided to remove the ban on gays serving openly in the military.

Interesting little sidenote................I was a Personnelman in the U.S. Navy, and because I held people's service records, as well as the fact that everyone liked and trusted me, I also knew who was gay in the command.

Guess what? When it came time for the Navy Wide Advancement Exams, I was the one who calculated the advancement worksheets which gave points for stuff like personal awards, as well as had to average their evaluation marks from the previous 3 years, and I found out that gay service members out performed straight service members in awards and evaluations.

Know what I think Trump is doing? He's running up a test balloon to see if he can get the generals to fall in line behind him on the transgender thing, and then will probably push to get DADT reinstated.

 

How does paying for estrogen injections and sex reassignment surgery strengthen the military?

 

The military needs mentally stable people that are comfortable in their own skins. Not somebody who is confused with their own identity being trained with firearms. Can you imagine a person like this, already with emotional problems, with PTSD? Sorry I agree, if you are already post op and done with your surgeries, maybe...Not someone who is joining just to get free surgeries. Sorry, figure out who you are before you join the military.

 

The military needs to be strengthened in minimalistic ways. Less humans, more robots. But more on point, I was asking how transgender people are a threat to the military. The fact the Army actually had protocols in place to prosecute homosexuals is beyond pathetic. You might as well keep women from being able to enlist due to the disproportionate muscular system in women, and blacks because they don't look alike like their white counterparts. .

 

There is clear reason why that changed. The barbaric nature of the armed forces, well any military branch for that matter, is bad enough to mankind without having gender or race restrictions on who and who cannot serve.